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India’s Economic Miracle

February 10, 2010

Moin Ansari
Rupee News

We hear about the song and dance from Pornywood on how great Bharat (aka India) is doing. Apologists of Bharat discuss the economic miracle. The fact remains that the anemic “hindu growth rate” has been the butt of jokes for the past 60 years–the lowest of all religions on the planet.

Here are some facts about Bharat where most of the world’s poor live. Each and every article uses Bharati sources and international statistics. It’s a myth that the global financial crisis left India virtually unscathed. In fact, India is the biggest victim of financial crisis-induced poverty, according to data obtained by TOI from the United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs’ (UNDESA). Check out these figures.

The UNDESA data estimates that the number of India’s poor was 33.6 million higher in 2009 than would have been the case if the growth rates of the years from 2004 to 2007 had been maintained. In 2009 alone, an estimated 13.6 million more people in India became poor or remained in poverty than would have been the case at 2008 growth rates.

In other words, while a dip from the 8.8% growth in GDP averaged from 2004-05 to 2006-07 to the 6.7% estimated for 2008-09 may be nothing like the recession faced by the West, its human consequences for India were probably worse. The 2.1% decline in India’s GDP growth rate has effectively translated into a 2.8% increase in the incidence of poverty.

According to the UNDESA’s World Economic Situation and Prospects 2010, 47 million more people globally became poor or remained in poverty in 2009 than would have been the case at 2008 growth rates, and 84 million more than would have poor at 2004-7 growth rates. Of these, 19 and 40 million respectively are in south Asia.

While the report did not give India-specific figures, these were given to TOI by the UNDESA in response to a request for more information on the numbers pertaining to the country. The numbers come from revised per capita income estimates for 2009. The report uses the World Bank’s definition of poverty, which is people living on less than $1.25 per day in 2005 Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) dollars.

The estimates assume that there has been no change in income distribution. If inequality grew in India in 2009, the number of poor would be even higher than these projections.

The UNDESA report attributes this increase in poverty to a combination of reduced household incomes, rising unemployment and pressure on public services. Job losses in India were primarily in export-oriented industries like textiles while employment levels in Indian firms catering to the domestic market were largely unaffected, the report says. Monetary and fiscal policy intervention gave Indian growth some resilience, while safety nets like India’s National Rural Employment Guarantee Act (NREGA) helped to mitigate the effects of the slowdown, the report adds.

“Surveys conducted by the labour bureau did show big job losses through most of 2008, but a pick up by mid-2009,” said economist and Planning Commission member Abhijit Sen, adding the caveat that the construction industry, which was hit badly by the recession and is now recovering, was not covered by those surveys. “It’s true that there has not been anything special for labour in government policy except the general fiscal stimulus,” added Sen.

In addition to job losses, food price inflation is a major factor in a decline in poverty reduction in India, said Sen. “It is not yet clear to what extent the spike in food prices is linked to the global financial situation, the poor monsoon or other factors”, he added.

The report is clear that the situation is picking up, but celebrations would be premature — “global economic recovery is expected to remain sluggish, employment prospects will remain bleak”. Job creation will lag output growth and as social protection coverage is limited, working poverty levels will rise and be difficult to reverse, the report warns. It is too early for fiscal stimuli to be withdrawn, the report adds.

There is no agreement yet on the number of poor people in India. The last official (National Sample Survey) household expenditure figures are for 2004-5 and the next round (2009-10) is yet to be completed. Further, the definition of poverty remains disputed, the Suresh Tendulkar committee’s recommendation that India move away from calorific norms being the latest iteration. This committee pegged the number of poor in India at 408 million in 2005. No financial crisis impact? India’s poor grew by 34 mn
Rukmini Shrinivasan, TNN, 10 February 2010, 12:16am IST

An Indian expert has calculated Indian poverty in the following manner:

No. Earnings of diffrent types of employees in India Converted into Rs./month
1. Average cost of employee* in Air-India Rs. 53,000
2. Average cost of employee* in MARUTI UDYOG Rs. 24,000
3. Average cost of employee* in the MUMBAI MUNICIPAL CORP. Rs. 16,000
4. Minimum starting salary in the FIRE Dept. in Mumbai Rs. 7,000
5. Average earning of an Indian – US$ 440 per year or about (This is based on a GDP of US$ 440 billion and 1 billion people) Rs. 1,727
6. Minimum earning required, as per WORLD BANK, to live at above poverty line, for underdeveloped countries like India, China etc, about US$ 1.0 per day or US$ 30 per month Rs. 1,410
7. MINIMUM WAGES, as per Government of India, for all the States, about Rs. 40 to 60 per day per person, average about Rs. 50 per day. For 25 days per month Rs. 1,250
8. POVERTY LINE definition, as per Government of India, see below for explanation, at Rs. 10 per day, per person, approx. Rs. 300
Other related & relevant data In millions, people
9. Number of people, in India, who are below poverty line About 300 mill (30 Cr.)
10. Number of people, in India, who work in the organized Public Sector, i.e. with the Central and State Governmen About 19 mil (1.9 Cr.)
11. Number of people, in India, who work in the organized Private Secto About 8 mil (0.8 Cr.)
12. Number of people, in India, who work in the unorganized Sector About 320 million (32 Cr.)
13. Number of people, in India, who are unemployed approximately About 300 mil (30 Cr.)
14. Number of JOBS which need to be created every year, to fulfill the aspirations of the people of India About 10 mil/yr. (1 Cr.)
15. Number of people BORN every year in India (China is only 10 million per yea About 27 mil/yr. (2.7 Cr.)
16. Number of people, in India, who are below 35 years of age About 700 mil (70 Cr.)
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39 comments

  1. I guess for the false loving cadre …their must be enough munition here to falsify yet another known fact… because just like an ostriche’s take on approching danger …my indian subjects like to shuv their head elsewhere …certainly not in the ground …but reminiscent to that ….where exactly i think we all know 😀

    But anyways …for a country where Millions of people have become jobless and thousands of insurgencies are going…they are certaily in no position to AID other countries when they are biggest ones who deserve it 😀 😀

    In pakistan our economy is suffering because of the actions of a super power and their pet dog …but india i think cant put 2 and 2 together and AID theyre own people 😀

    Is this because of a pathetic education system ?? …or what absurd rationale is there ??

    can someone step in my court and explain ??

    Dismissed !


    • Well… be glad that India is such a bad terrible place to be…. and then explain why your nation is getting bombed and ours is getting investment. Wait wait wait…. let me guess. Hindu Zionist conspiracy with Mossad, RAW, CIA, Men from Mars… (did I leave anyone out).

      It just appears that you Pakis can only prove your ‘greatness’ by pointing flaws in ours. So what… if it makes you happy… why not. After all, you lot are so pathetic, that every little bit that makes you happy is acceptable.

      Guess what – 60% of India is still in villages. 30% still does not have access to electricity. Does that make you feel better… Pathetic !!


      • @ Abused

        lol lol – Ahh.. a disgruntled subject ! 😀 😀

        Well..well..if 30 % of india doesnt have electricity then why are u spending a billion dollars in afghanistan :d 😀

        Why do u have 27 consulates in Afghanistan 😀 😀 ??..Wat are u doing ..shouldnt you be minding your own business and infact fixing ur messed up place first ..??? 😀 😀 😀

        https://pakistankakhudahafiz.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/why-pay-afghanistan-when-they-can-help-this-girl/

        Here this was the topic on the last article 😀 :D..these are ur people writing these articles 😀 😀

        Oh wait you must be trying to de-stabilize pakistan through afghanistam..so that neither can progress and you can claim everything is HUNKY DORY 😀 😀

        But i guess the world including u is blind and India is not in afghanistan, and US certainly is not there ..and this is also mere rubbish that before 2001 pakistan had none of these problems …all this is rubbish and as much rubbish as saying that All of India has proper Toilets ….hahahahahahahah 😀 😀

        We pakistanis dont feel happy for India’s problem, we are discussing the number of problems people like YOU have created for us to fix 😀 😀 😀

        HISTORICALLY, FUTURISTICALLY and even in the present times ONLY PAKISTAN and Pakistanis can solve India’s problems 😀 😀

        And who is whining here is evident from ur conversation – so straighten up and fix urselves …otherwise it will be only more work for you when we take you to Task ! 😀 😀

        Now get back to Work ! 😀 😀

        Dismissed !


  2. Bharat = Brahmin Raj

    Number of shoodars: 60% of total population
    Number of dalits* (outcastes) = 170 million

    Dalits are also known as untouchables in bharat. dalits are different from shoodars. according to hinduism, there are four major castes: brahmin, kastriya, vesh, shoodars. Fifth “kind” of people are called dalits. according to beliefs, a human being can attain a next higher level caste if his/her deeds in current life are good.

    untouchables or dalits are not counted as a caste but rather outcastes, meaning that they are wicked, sinister and evil human beings that have no right to be included in the hindu social system and are casted out. the word dalit, literally means ‘persecuted’ in sinsikrat. In hinduism, muslims are graded even below dalits.

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    India’s “Untouchables” Face Violence, Discrimination
    Hillary Mayell
    for National Geographic News

    More than 160 million people in India are considered “Untouchable”—people tainted by their birth into a caste system that deems them impure, less than human.

    Human rights abuses against these people, known as Dalits, are legion. A random sampling of headlines in mainstream Indian newspapers tells their story: “Dalit boy beaten to death for plucking flowers”; “Dalit tortured by cops for three days”; “Dalit ‘witch’ paraded naked in Bihar”; “Dalit killed in lock-up at Kurnool”; “7 Dalits burnt alive in caste clash”; “5 Dalits lynched in Haryana”; “Dalit woman gang-raped, paraded naked”; “Police egged on mob to lynch Dalits”.

    “Dalits are not allowed to drink from the same wells, attend the same temples, wear shoes in the presence of an upper caste, or drink from the same cups in tea stalls,” said Smita Narula, a senior researcher with Human Rights Watch, and author of Broken People: Caste Violence Against India’s “Untouchables.” Human Rights Watch is a worldwide activist organization based in New York.

    India’s Untouchables are relegated to the lowest jobs, and live in constant fear of being publicly humiliated, paraded naked, beaten, and raped with impunity by upper-caste Hindus seeking to keep them in their place. Merely walking through an upper-caste neighborhood is a life-threatening offense.

    Nearly 90 percent of all the poor Indians and 95 percent of all the illiterate Indians are Dalits, according to figures presented at the International Dalit Conference that took place May 16 to 18 in Vancouver, Canada.

    Crime Against Dalits

    Statistics compiled by India’s National Crime Records Bureau indicate that in the year 2000, the last year for which figures are available, 25,455 crimes were committed against Dalits. Every hour two Dalits are assaulted; every day three Dalit women are raped, two Dalits are murdered, and two Dalit homes are torched.

    No one believes these numbers are anywhere close to the reality of crimes committed against Dalits. Because the police, village councils, and government officials often support the caste system, which is based on the religious teachings of Hinduism, many crimes go unreported due to fear of reprisal, intimidation by police, inability to pay bribes demanded by police, or simply the knowledge that the police will do nothing.

    “There have been large-scale abuses by the police, acting in collusion with upper castes, including raids, beatings in custody, failure to charge offenders or investigate reported crimes,” said Narula.

    That same year, 68,160 complaints were filed against the police for activities ranging from murder, torture, and collusion in acts of atrocity, to refusal to file a complaint. Sixty two percent of the cases were dismissed as unsubstantiated; 26 police officers were convicted in court.

    Despite the fact that untouchability was officially banned when India adopted its constitution in 1950, discrimination against Dalits remained so pervasive that in 1989 the government passed legislation known as The Prevention of Atrocities Act. The act specifically made it illegal to parade people naked through the streets, force them to eat feces, take away their land, foul their water, interfere with their right to vote, and burn down their homes.

    Since then, the violence has escalated, largely as a result of the emergence of a grassroots human rights movement among Dalits to demand their rights and resist the dictates of untouchability, said Narula.

    Enforcement of laws designed to protect Dalits is lax if not non-existent in many regions of India. The practice of untouchability is strongest in rural areas, where 80 percent of the country’s population resides. There, the underlying religious principles of Hinduism dominate.

    Hindus believe a person is born into one of four castes based on karma and “purity”—how he or she lived their past lives. Those born as Brahmans are priests and teachers; Kshatriyas are rulers and soldiers; Vaisyas are merchants and traders; and Sudras are laborers. Within the four castes, there are thousands of sub-castes, defined by profession, region, dialect, and other factors.

    Untouchables are literally outcastes; a fifth group that is so unworthy it doesn’t fall within the caste system.

    Although based on religious principles practiced for some 1,500 years, the system persists today for economic as much as religious reasons.

    Because they are considered impure from birth, Untouchables perform jobs that are traditionally considered “unclean” or exceedingly menial, and for very little pay. One million Dalits work as manual scavengers, cleaning latrines and sewers by hand and clearing away dead animals. Millions more are agricultural workers trapped in an inescapable cycle of extreme poverty, illiteracy, and oppression.

    Although illegal, 40 million people in India, most of them Dalits, are bonded workers, many working to pay off debts that were incurred generations ago, according to a report by Human Rights Watch published in 1999. These people, 15 million of whom are children, work under slave-like conditions hauling rocks, or working in fields or factories for less than U.S. $1 day.

    Crimes Against Women

    Dalit women are particularly hard hit. They are frequently raped or beaten as a means of reprisal against male relatives who are thought to have committed some act worthy of upper-caste vengeance. They are also subject to arrest if they have male relatives hiding from the authorities.

    A case reported in 1999 illustrates the toxic mix of gender and caste.

    A 42-year-old Dalit woman was gang-raped and then burnt alive after she, her husband, and two sons had been held in captivity and tortured for eight days. Her crime? Another son had eloped with the daughter of the higher-caste family doing the torturing. The local police knew the Dalit family was being held, but did nothing because of the higher-caste family’s local influence.

    There is very little recourse available to victims.

    A report released by Amnesty International in 2001 found an “extremely high” number of sexual assaults on Dalit women, frequently perpetrated by landlords, upper-caste villagers, and police officers. The study estimates that only about 5 percent of attacks are registered, and that police officers dismissed at least 30 percent of rape complaints as false.

    The study also found that the police routinely demand bribes, intimidate witnesses, cover up evidence, and beat up the women’s husbands. Little or nothing is done to prevent attacks on rape victims by gangs of upper-caste villagers seeking to prevent a case from being pursued. Sometimes the policemen even join in, the study suggests. Rape victims have also been murdered. Such crimes often go unpunished.

    Thousands of pre-teen Dalit girls are forced into prostitution under cover of a religious practice known as devadasis, which means “female servant of god.” The girls are dedicated or “married” to a deity or a temple. Once dedicated, they are unable to marry, forced to have sex with upper-caste community members, and eventually sold to an urban brothel.

    Resistance and Progress

    Within India, grassroots efforts to change are emerging, despite retaliation and intimidation by local officials and upper-caste villagers. In some states, caste conflict has escalated to caste warfare, and militia-like vigilante groups have conducted raids on villages, burning homes, raping, and massacring the people. These raids are sometimes conducted with the tacit approval of the police.

    In the province Bihar, local Dalits are retaliating, committing atrocities also. Non-aligned Dalits are frequently caught in the middle, victims of both groups.

    “There is a growing grassroots movement of activists, trade unions, and other NGOs that are organizing to democratically and peacefully demand their rights, higher wages, and more equitable land distribution,” said Narula. “There has been progress in terms of building a human rights movement within India, and in drawing international attention to the issue.”

    In August 2002, the UN Committee for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (UN CERD) approved a resolution condemning caste or descent-based discrimination.

    “But at the national level, very little is being done to implement or enforce the laws,” said Narula.


    • yes, that’s exactly why we have a 40% reservation for OBCs/SCs/STs. Now, what do you have for Ahmediyas?


      • Ahmediyas live well…no issues anywhere …Get to the real issue of dalits, shudrs and muslims..

        Must i remind u about what happened to shah rukh khan …or shabana azmi not being able to buy a house in mumbai 😀 😀

        And because i know u suffer from parkinsons disease here is an article

        http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/dalit_tortured_for_daring_to_wear_shoes.php

        Enjoy !


  3. A pictorial representation of Hindu castes is depicted as a pyramid (similar to the freemasonic pyramid symbol) showing brahmin at the top and other castes following down the order with dalits shown out of the pyramid, effectively depicted as rejected humanity.

    Hinduism is curse to humanity.


    • An arm chair-economist can right all he wants about India’s economy to have a good night’s sleep. It isn’t going to deter the surge in foreign investment.


      • RISING SHINING INDIA: FACT OF THE DAY

        Pakistan’s economic condition is temporary and only a result of current policies and War on Terror in which Pakistan has suffered most. Government officials put the loss at Rs.2.1 Trillion and rising. And where Indians are getting sleepless nights on a growth rate of 7%, the fact is in 2005, Pakistan was declared the best reformer in south asia and #10 globally with growth rate between 6-8%. This shows the great potential of pakistan to absorb great sufferings and still stand tall.


      • You can get as much foreign investment as u like … but ur poverty levels have only gotten worse which means the investment coming in …is not affecting the masses but rather filing the pockets of a select few. You are 134 on the HUman development index out of 180 countries despite all these investments…lol lol

        Your infrastructure is crumbling and is a big impediment to success…if u borrow more to build infrastructure …corruption among ur ranks will eat that up too 😀 😀

        Its a no win situation 😀 😀


  4. An article on poverty and the comment is on religion and religious hatred. Awesome.


    • that is a testimony to the obsession these paki’s have with India and the consequent insecurity/jealously at India growth.


      • @Indian Emperor Babur wannabe

        Growth in what? HIV infection. India is a s**thole . Shining India or Incredible India is not going to change anything. You guys have started to believe your own lies.
        Opening up a few call centres does not make India a superpower.


      • @ fake emperor babur

        you don’t have guts to face the world with an own screen name yet you are ready to teach the world of “insecurity”. how funny eh?

        if you cant be original, atleast feign some.


      • Your only come back was your inconience at my screen name…lol, that only validates what I have stated above.

        Thank God, I am not one of those N’th generation convert to Islam, who tries to masquerade as an Arab only to be treated as shit at their airports. lmao


    • This forum is for well educated people to have an intellect discussion ….what are child labor loving idiots doing here 😀 😀 ??


      • exactly. so when will u get lost?


    • exactly amused,

      why such religious hatred and economic persecution for only one form of humanity. you tell. and that’s the part of world writing that you trust more, not me.


      • No one is amused at the author for having written the article or the organisation having published the figures.

        What is amusing is the fact that it posted on this blog with the most likely intension of gloating over the weaker economic class in India?

        I assume pakis are very proud of the American AID that provided for their last 60 years of existence. I think I should remind myself how many times pakistan was close to defaulting on servicing it’s international debt … only to be saved by some American charity.

        But then, not every country believes in an honorable existence, some think its easy money by leasing their mercenary army.


      • I don’t think any of the Indian posters here have insulted Islam – yet that seems to be the s.o.p. of most Pakistani posters – any problem – blame Hindus.


      • No one is amused at the author for having written the article or the organisation having published the figures.

        What is amusing is the fact that it posted on this blog with the most likely intension of gloating over the weaker economic class in India?

        I assume pakis are very proud of the American AID that provided for their last 60 years of existence. I think I should remind myself how many times pakistan was close to defaulting on servicing it’s international debt … only to be saved by some American charity.

        But then, not every country believes in an honorable existence, some think its easy money by leasing their mercenary army.


  5. why are my comments moderated?


  6. moin ansari wrote this article?
    no surprise there. i think some indian kicked his a**a long time ago. this is the only way he can get back


  7. Indo-Pak Nuke war
    The Pakistan army decides to launch a nuke-missile towards India.

    They don’t need any permission from their government, and promptly order the countdowns.

    Indian technology is highly advanced.

    In less than 8 seconds, Indian army detects the Pak Countdown and decides to launch a missile in retribution.

    But they need permission from the Government of India.

    They submit their request to the Indian President. The President forwards it to the Cabinet.

    The Prime Minister calls an emergency Lok Sabha session. The LS meets, but due to several walkouts and severe protests by the opposition, it gets adjourned and adjourned indefinitely.

    The President asks for a quick decision.

    In the mean time, the Pak missile failed to take off due to technical failure.

    Their attempts for a re launch are still on.

    Just then the Indian ruling party is reduced to a minority because a party that was giving outside support withdraws it.

    The President asks the PM to prove his majority within a week.

    As the ruling party fails to win the confidence vote, a caretaker government is installed.

    The caretaker PM decides to permit the armed forces to launch a nuclear missile.

    But the Election Commission says that a caretaker government can not take such a decision because elections are at hand.

    A Public Interest Litigation is filed in the Supreme Court alleging misuse of power by the Election Commission.

    The Supreme Court comes to the rescue of the PM, and says the acting PM is
    authorized to take this decision in view of the emergency facing the nation.

    Just then one of the Pak missiles successfully took off, but it fell 367 miles
    away from the target, on its own government building at 11.35AM.

    Fortunately there were no casualties as no employee had reached the office that early.

    In any case, the nuclear core of the missile had detached somewhere in flight.

    The Pakistan army is now trying to get better technologies

    The Indian Government, taking no chances, decides to launch a nuclear missile of its own, after convening an all-party meeting.

    This time all the parties agree.

    Its three months since the Pak army had started the nuclear war.

    But as Indian preparations begin, “pro-humanity” and “anti-nuclear” activists come out against the Government’s decision.

    Human chains are formed and Road Rail Blockades are organized.

    In California and Washington endless e-mails are sent to Indians to stop the war condemning the Indian government and mentioning “Please forward it to as many Indians as possible”.

    On the Pakistan side, the missiles kept malfunctioning. Some missiles deviate from target due to technical failures or high-speed wind blowing over Rajasthan.

    Many of them land in the Indian Ocean killing some fishes.

    Pakistan had enough of it’s own technology.
    A missile (smuggled from USA) is pressed into service.

    Since the Pakistan army is unable to understand its software, it hits its original destination: Russia. (The smuggled missile was an old one made during the cold war times)

    Russia successfully intercepts the missile and in retaliation launches a nuclear missile towards Islamabad.

    The missile hits the target and creates havoc.

    Pakistan cries for help. India expresses deep regrets for what has happened and sends in a million dollars worth of Parle-G biscuits.

    Thus India never gets to launch the missile.

    Pakistan never gets it right.


  8. can someone tell me how many crors india,s population is?


    • ali, the right word is bharat (not india). india is as much a country as equator is – winston churchill. the term india is cliched and can no longer be used to refer to india, which originally meant a unified india, that no more exists. the official name is bharat and the population is about 1.2 billion.


      • By the same logic, Pakistan shouldn’t be called Pakistan after the secession of East Pakistan. What say??

        Secondly, Churchill’s remark exactly portrays the diversity one would find in India, be it culture, clothing, language or color. Even if only consider Hindus of India they speak a myriad of language from Bihari, Gujarati, to Tamil and kanad. north Indian are fair, south Indians are dark. north Indians traditionally wear a dhoti and south indian a lungi. and so on.

        But then you have every right to delude yourself.


      • I’d suggest that you study geography properly and not what the likes of Zaid Hamid are teaching. My country is called Bharat Ganarajya in Hindi and Republic of India in English.

        It doesn’t matter what you lot ‘think’… that’s reality


      • @ Abused

        lol lol…and i suggest u start digging a whole which is called a GRAVE …hahahahahahah 😀 😀 😀

        Because Zaid Hamid’s teachings are here to stay and they are not only going to stay in Pakistan but also in India as well 😀 😀

        Because when we come down to delhi ..you have a place called home already dug out 😀 😀


      • I’m glad his teachings are here to stay. They will ensure that your nation becomes more frustrated and illiterate…. and more prone to believing fairy tales and nonsense. Keep it up guys…. I’m not bothered…. I’m just amused


  9. Why do pakistani,s have to rely on fake facts and figures.

    The real danger is that Pakistanis actually start believing that India is a very weak country which can be troubled anytime.

    Consequently they try to tangle with India on matters and issues they are not capable of of handling.

    There is no doubt that India(and pakistan) has great poverty.

    STILL,its GDP is certainly not 444 billion $.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29

    ITs per capita income in PPP terms is 2900 $ ABOVE pakistan.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29

    EVEN in real terms GDP per capita India at around 1100 $ is ABOVE pakistan.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita

    In nominal terms it GDP is 1.2 Trillion Dollars and in PPP terms its 3.2 TRillion dollars.

    In terms of Human Developement Index rankings (HDI) India is AGAIN ranked ABOVE Pakistan:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

    PLEASE vist the world bank site:

    http://web.worldbank.org/

    http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/0,,pagePK:180619~theSitePK:136917,00.html

    Check the stats on India and Pakistan.

    PAKISTAN is has lower literacy,higher population growth(its growing almost TWICE that of India),higher Infant mortality, and other such problems.

    The biggest difference is that India has 1.2 Billion people.

    Pakistan HAS only 170 Million.
    YET all problems have not been resolved.

    India is certainly not rich.

    WE are doing what we can.Raising such a large population out of poverty is not easy.

    YES millions are poor.BUT Equally Millions are also progressing.

    WE are not going to solve poverty by moaning or feeling apologetic about it.

    Pakistan,whose entire economy now is dependent on IMF and foreign loans is no condition to lecture anyone on Poverty.


    • lol lol 😀 😀 …This will be fun 😀 😀

      But it is no big deal for us to know that u indians set ur standards by looking at pakistanis…and feels even great to see u comparing ur 10 times larger failed state to Pakistan 😀 😀

      After all slaves have to look upto their Masters sooner or later ..hahahahahahahahahahaha 😀 😀

      First of GDP for a billion plus country should be compared to markets of comparable size 😀 :D…did u forget to mention this on purpose ? 😀 😀

      Im not even going to go into how badly china kicked ur ass ..hahahahahahahahahahahaha

      They took all the manufacturing and industralization of the world and left u with call centers and menial work ..which is now going to other countries like phillipines and thailand 😀 😀

      But despite ur 1100 difference in GDP ur food minister is urging people to eat rats …lol lol lol

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7557107.stm

      even with a 444 billion dollar economy ..Thank God no one is eating rats in Pakistan 😀 😀

      If this is ur economic development .. i will take the pakistani model ANYDAY 😀 😀

      Now lets get to some real stats 😀 😀

      Poverty Graph

      According to WFP, India accounts around 50% of the world’s hungry. (more than in the whole of Africa) and its fiscal deficit is one of the highest in the world. India’s Global Hunger Index (GHI) score is 23.7, a rank of 66th out of 88 countries. India’s rating is slightly above Bangladesh but below all other South Asian nations and listed under “ALARMING” category

      http://www.ifpri.org/publication/2008-india-state-hunger-index-key-findings-facts

      Note that these are RESEARCH ORGANIZATIONS not some dumb ass Wikipedia garbage …but i guess MALU education doesnt teach the real stuff 😀 😀

      The Current Account Balance of India
      ====================================:D 😀
      “A major area of vulnerability for us is the high consolidated public-debt to GDP ratio of over 70 percent … (and) consolidated fiscal deficit,” says the Governor of Reserve Bank of India (RBI), Mr. Yaga Venugopal Reddy.

      According to CIA world fact book, the Current account balance of India is -37,510,000,000 (minus) while China is the wealthiest country in the world with $ 426,100,000,000 (Plus) . India listed as 182 and China as no.1

      https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html

      Pakistan is covering deficits with its AID 😀 😀

      You mention GDP and Human Development …but u lame uneducated Malu dont compare the Human Deveopment per GDP – which is where ur worse than Malaysia …lol lol lol 😀 😀 :d

      Human Development vs GDP growth
      ===============================

      The Human Development Report for 2009 released by the UNDP ranked India 134 out of 182 countries, working it out through measures of life expectancy, education and income. India has an emigration rate of 0.8%. The major continent of destination for migrants from India is Asia with 72.0% of emigrants living there. The report found that India’s GDP per capita (purchasing power parity) is $2,753, far below Malaysia’s $13,518. China listed as 92 with PPP of $5383. Read the statistics from UNDP website.

      http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/


      • and INdia is getting worse on this index 😀 😀

        Living conditions of Indians
        ============================

        89 percent of rural households do not own telephones; 52 percent do not have any domestic power connection. There are daily power cuts even in the nation’s capital. The average brownout in India is three hours per day during non-monsoon months, 17 hours daily during the monsoon. The average village is 2 kilometers away from an all-weather road, and 20 percent of rural habitations have partial or no access to a safe drinking-water supply

        Here read some real research u malu educated long winded hoe hum …lol lol lol

        http://www.nfhsindia.org/

        Education

        India has over 35 per cent of the world’s total illiterate population. [UNESCO Education for All Report 2008] Only 66 per cent people are literate in India (76 per cent men and 54 per cent women)

        About 40 million primary school-age children in India are not in school. More than 92 % children cannot progress beyond secondary school. According to reports, 35 per cent schools don’t have infrastructure such as blackboards and furniture. And close to 90 per cent have no functional toilets. Half of India’s schools still have leaking roofs or no water supply.

        Japan has 4,000 universities for its 127 million people and the US has 3,650 universities for its 301 million, India has only 348 universities for its 1.2 billion people. In the prestigious Academic Ranking of World Universities by Institute of Higher Education, Shanghai Jiao Tong, only two Indian Universities are included. Even those two IITs in India found only a lower slot (203-304) in 2007 report. Although Indian universities churn out three million graduates a year, only 15% of them are suitable employees for blue-chip companies. Only 1 million among them are IT professionals.

        lol lol lol …hahahahahahahahahahah 😀 😀 😀

        Useless and pathetic country …atleast pakistan doesnt go around chanting Shining Pakistan…when in actuality ur worse 😀

        Now i can go on and on the list of india’s misery is long …lets not get into bigotry and mumbai being the rudest city in the world….lol lol

        But i think u get the idea …Pakistan Thank GOD is above all this misery 😀 😀


  10. Pak govt places ban on water, medical supplies to A Q Khan
    PTI, 9 February 2010, 10:19am ISTText Size:|Topics:A Q Khan
    disgraced nuclear scientist
    water ban
    medical supply ban

    LAHORE: Pakistan’s disgraced nuclear scientist A Q Khan has informed a court here that the government has placed a “ban on water and medical

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    supplies”” to him under the garb of a court order.

    Khan’s counsel Syed Ali Zafar told a bench of the Lahore High Court on Monday that though arguments in a case for easing restrictions on the scientist were going on, the government had barred Khan from going out of his residence even to visit his brother who is critically ill in a hospital.

    Zafar said Khan’s relatives and friends too had been stopped from visiting him and the government, in an unprecedented move, had restricted the supply of water to his residence and stopped his doctor and medical staff from visiting him.

    This, Zafar contended, could severely jeopardize Khan’s health.

    The counsel alleged that all this was being done in the garb of a recent interim order issued by the High Court in which the bench had directed the federal government to provide security to the scientist.

    He said the government’s action amounted to a most serious breach of Khan’s basic fundamental rights and that this could not have been the intention of the High Court when it passed the recent order.

    Zafar asked the court to direct the government not to dictate the terms of security for Khan.


  11. @Abused

    Thanks for increasing our knowledge that Bharat is a Gonorrhea Raj as well.
    We already know it as Gay Raj,Devdasi Raj,Toiletless Raj,AIDS Raj.

    Bharat,keep it up.


  12. the analysis are fairly right….and i think problems are there with every nation…but to keep blaming Pakistan is something India does again n again…n this cannot b denied…Pakistan is fighting not only against terror but also defending against all the anti-Pakistan countries…anyhow…Allah is watching and he knows whats right n wrong…these small debates are good..but they have no results…soon Anti-Pakistan people will see results INSHALLAH….
    Regards, Bilal….


    • Here in India, poverty is a fact of life.From what I see and read that is the same in Pakistan,Bangladesh, and Nepal as well.In South Asia, Sri Lanka has the highest per income per person.

      This being said, India’s economy has averaged over 8% growth over the period of 2004-2008. Because iof the economic crisis, growth fell to 6.8% in 2009. This year’s(2010) growth is expected to be between 7.2-7.6% (final numbers will be out on Feb 27) indicating a return to a high growth path.

      Moreover, there is a widespread consensus among economists(including non-Indian ones) that India’s economy can achieve a growth rate of around 9% or more for a period of 10-15 years.

      As your article points out, this growth has yet to remove poverty. Part of the reason is that over 65% people are dependent on agriculture, and past growth was based on the services sector. However, future growth will come in labour intensive low cost manufacturing, that should significantly impact poverty. Poverty will hopefully be cut in half by the end of the decade.

      Now you can insult me because I am a Hindu Indian, but please do not use India’s poverty as a walking stick to lean on. We dont like being poor anymore than any other human being, and are working hard as a country to get rid of it.

      Pakistan also has a high incidence of poverty. Trade and investment from India might help to make a dent in it (if political stability prevails). I am a friend of Pakistan(yes Hindu Indians dont universally hate you) because you share the same history, culture, language, food, and dress with us. Hamara khoon ek hai, bhale hi mazhab alag ho. Best of luck to Pakistan for growing economically in the future.


  13. @anirudh

    Well,one thing for sure is that your blood is definitely not the same as the rest of Hindus(i.e.more PAVITR),who are not only anti-Pakistan but rather anti-Muslims.
    Wish you could do something to change their BLOOD group.


    • @Ultra Nationalist

      Unfortunately, I cannot completely disagree with “rest of Hindus hate Pakistan”, but I don’t completely agree with it as well.

      In the villages, people(Hindus,Muslims whatever) are too busy worrying about things like survival and education to care much about other things, including Pakistan (except in Kashmiri and Punjabi villages, which are both border states).

      Today in Indian society at large, in the cities, there are two views regarding Pakistan. The dominant view regards Pakistan with a mixture of disdain and hate. They see Pakistan as a backward, medieval Islamic state, that does little for the betterment of its own citizens. Pakistan’s persistent poor economic record (except during the 1950’s and 60’s) only reinforces this viewpoint. They see our ‘obsession’ with Pakistan as a drag on India’s progress. But they DO NOT want war with Pakistan, for the simple reason that even a conventional war will be a drain on Indian economy. Ofcourse a nuclear war will make both India and Pakistan open graveyards.
      Many who now subscribe to this view were moderates or peaceniks before the Mumbai massacre. To the routine terror attack in Pakistani cities, they respond with “Doosre ke liye gaddha khodne wala bhi baad main usi main girta hai”.

      The second view in cities advocates peace with Pakistan, and if possible love. Those who hold this view encouter repeated taunts about being terror supporters. Some subscribe to this view because they actually love Pakistanis(Pakistanis, not Pakistan), but the rest see the enormous benefits peace and trade can bring.

      Regarding Hindus hating Muslims in India, some of it is unfortunately true. Part of the reason is that Muslims in India are still seen as backward and with a medieval mindset. Coupled with the fact that almost all terrorists ever captured (barring the Maoist communists) have Muslim names, this way of thinking is hard to counter. Before you criticize Hindus for this narrow-mindedness, try imagining how Muslims in Pakistan would react if all terrorists ever captured in Pakistan came from Pakistan’s 1.4% Hindu minority.
      However, most Hindus still want to live in peace and love. The overwhelming response to “My Name is Khan” (even if you discount the curiosity created by the IPL controversy) shows this.



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