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Muslims ‘Traitors’ Told To Get Out Of ‘Secular’ India

November 5, 2009

Those who oppose Vande Mataram should go to Pakistan: Uddhav Thackeray

M_Id_41874_bal_uddhav_thackerayMUMBAI: Shiv Sena Executive President Uddhav Thackeray Wednesday hit out at the Jamiat-Ulema-e-Hind for issuing fatwa against singing Vande Mataram saying that those who oppose the national song should go to Pakistan.

In a statement issued here, Thackeray said that the fatwa was issued in the presence of Union home minister P Chidambaram which shows that the Centre has indulged into minority appeasement.

“If anti-national fatwas are issued in the presence of the Union home minister then there is no future for this country. It looks like the Centre has a policy of Muslim appeasement for votes,” the Sena leader alleged.

He said Vande Mataram is not just two words but a flame to invoke nationalism. “If you don’t want to salute the motherland, then whom do you salute? What is the shame in saluting Bharatmata? Those who don’t want to salute Bharatmata should go to Pakistan, Bangladesh. There is no place for such traitors in India,” Thackeray said.

He asked his party members to put up ‘Vande Mataram’ boards all over Maharashtra. Such fatwas create tensions between Hindus and Muslims, he added.

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85 comments

  1. Atlast, real face of Hindu Zionism exposed by the scumbags themselves!


    • Muslims of india dont like to say Vande Mataram because praises the Hindu God and stuff


  2. hahaha i can smell india is going to disintegrate soon.”INSHALLA”


    • Insha-ALLAH
      and it seems that now the muslims (not in majority) supporting india against Pakistan should learn lesson. Now they should wakeup…..
      ALLAH Pakistan ka hafiz


  3. yes my friend INSHALLAH it will and we will take our revenge of 1971,bangladesh.


    • yes india will split into 30 parts

      then once india is split into 30 parts ISI must take all action to make sure thoose 30 parts are fighting each other


      • keep dreaming ladies


  4. Indians are Psycho a so called secular country


  5. heard on t.v narendar modi is attacked by swin flu… yaaar kahien mar na jai …uss saay to bara hisab layna hai…


    • Insha-ALLAH


  6. I think pakistan should open it’s boarder for indian muslims who are sick off mother fucker hindu india

    hindustan murdabad
    kuta harami sowar


  7. Pakistan has never been able to resist the lure of Bollywood, even in the face of government disapproval and Indo-Pak tension. For every ban on Indian movies in their cinema halls, there’s been an entrepreneurial bootlegger in Lahore or Karachi, with a secret stash of Bollywood DVDs. Even the Pakistani cultural ministry’s plan to forbid their talent from crossing over into Bollywood didn’t deter artists, and only seemed to make the Indian film industry more appealing.

    There’d always been a peppering of Pakistan in Bollywood — a hint of Nazia Hassan’s sexy voice in the 80s, the rare Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan sound in the 90s. But Pakistani music really arrived in Bollywood when a 22 year-old singer with a boyish charm and a seductive voice crossed the border into Mumbai around 2005. His name was Atif Aslam, and he left his rock band Jal back home, for what went on to become an illustrious music career in Bollywood.

    In the three years that followed, there was a spate of musicians and singers from Pakistan who tried to achieve what Mr Aslam had. Few attained his scale of success, but many, like Mustafa Zahid, managed to get a foot in the door. Television music reality shows too, saw a flood of entries from India’s neighbor, as they tried to foster Indo-Pak friendship.

    But then in November of 2008, Mumbai was held hostage in one of the worst terror attacks the country has ever seen. When news broke that the terrorists were allegedly from Pakistan, the dormant Indo-Pak tension rose noisily above the sound of music.

    Debates broke out in every sphere of the Indian entertainment industry as to whether Pakistani talent should be encouraged and promoted on Indian turf. Some Indian artists had always been against the idea, considering Pakistan has never extended its cultural hand, and prevented Indian artists from performing in their country. But those Indian producers who had worked closely with Pakistani artists insisted that music should not have boundaries. Ramesh Taurani of Tips Films, who has produced several Atif Aslam albums told an Indian national daily, “Despite everything, artistes will remain artistes. My views on working with Atif (Aslam) haven’t changed.”

    Yet, many Pakistani contestants from Indian reality TV shows were sent home, and even the more prominent singers decided to lay low for a while. The Indian Express, a national daily, reported in January this year that the attendance in Pakistani theatres screening Bollywood movies dropped by almost 75 per cent.

    Story continues below

    Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/13/bollywood-welcomes-pakist_n_230645.html


  8. Indian Muslims r worse then Hindus…….they hate pakistan and pakistanis more then hindus
    so we should not care abt them
    i say indian all (hindu+muslims) go to hell……
    all indians r chicken shitts…..nothing else


    • I agree.. Indians muslims are traitors to us back in 1947. they back stabbed us.they are dogs living side by side pig hindus.. we don’t need them . we are self sufficient to rise pakistan.. we don’t need their burden. we are set to become “markaz” of Muslim Ummat.. we don’t need these “GANDIAN” muslims who are part of “GANDOOSTAN”


    • Saif yar everyone is not same, neither or Pakistanis are faithful to this land, nor every Indian Muslim depises Pakistan.


      • Most Pakistani non-Muslim’s love our country similarly most Indian Muslim’s are equally loyal to Bharat.Pakistanis have never claimed to be their saviours and neither do they lookupon us in such a manner.

        Many Indian Muslims are hostile towards Pakistan because they feel that we left them behind but reality is that they refused to relocate thinking that they’d be safe with Hindu’s that has generally been proved wrong.Nevermind all these fake Bollywood Muslim’s,reality is that the common Muslim in India struggles to hold down a decent job and is looked upon suspiciously as being a terrorist and Islamic fundamentalist.

        If any of them were to even give the impression of being pro-Pakistani then they’d be treated like vermin at best and animals at worst.This would give Hindutva fascists the perfect opportunity to slaughter them and rape their woman as seen in Gujarat and the demolition of Babri masjid.

        Many have fought war’s for India against Pak so we rightfully don’t have any special place for them in our hearts.In India they’re detested for being Muslim’s and in Pakistan we mostly despise them as Indian’s so the poor soul’s are like an onion in a sandwitch.In conclusion Indian Muslim’s have no true identity unless they happily kiss the ass of the BJP and Bharat mata so lets not stop them!


      • Dear brother Nabeel,Saif and Imran,
        its very easy to be judgemental and put our opinion to all 17 million Indian muslims. Brothers not all the muslims arent the same. I know many many indian muslims and esp i met not good few infact many many indian muslims and even bangladeshi muslims who love and want pakistan to prosper. u know when pakistan won the twenty twenty world cup there were fireworks in india and i received all the way texts for congrats. again same thing applies to our own brothers in balouchistan and NWFP as well that most of the brother from there are patriotic and good people. everywhere people are good and bad and we should think atleast not to disheart those who support and love us from there. i m sure we have traitors among ourselves just like they have among themselves but please brothers dont just put everyone in one line. PKKH i am sure like ur a fan too and so as of pakistan. if we want pakistan as Islam ka Qilla that means we will be the server and look after one for all other suffering muslims in our region atleast. just see an example if any us national had any problem anywhere in the world how much their govt do efforts to help that person which is nice thing and we should be humble and nice to our citizen and our fellow brothers in the region. atleast all of us here start to be humble and respectful to all muslims bros to other regions coz we should make this site more fruitful and useful rather than abusing opponents coz their reality and identity and culture allow them to do that but out religion doesnt allow us to abuse. Our beloved prophet SAW never abuse or insult anyone. thats my humble request. pakistan zindabad , Islam forever ameen . keep up the good brothers in islam.


  9. ISLAMABAD, Nov 4: There are over 650,000 illegal electricity connections in Karachi, hooked directly into main power lines, and this is one of the main reasons behind long bouts of loadshedding in the city.

    This was stated by Minister for Power Raja Pervez Ashraf in reply to a supplementary question by MQM’s Khushbakht Shujaat.

    The government, Mr Ashraf said, was trying to improve the system by registering criminal cases against people stealing power.

    Mr Ashraf said: “Only during the past nine months, we have registered around one million criminal cases of stealing electricity across the country.”

    Recently, he said, the ministry had dismissed 43 officers found involved in electricity theft.

    If the government could not handle line losses in major cities like Karachi, how could it cope with electricity theft in rural areas, Mr Kishan Chand Parwani of the PML-Q asked.

    Jamshed Dasti, PPP MNA from Muzzafargarah, said that he had received several complaints of over-billing in his constituency, which Wapda transferred to small consumers to hide its own negligence.

    The minister said that any discrepancy in electricity bill could immediately be corrected at a Wapda complaint cell.


  10. THIS is apropos of Shahid Javed Burki’s article ‘Ideas can win the war’ (Oct 27) in which he emphasises on the need of ‘people power’ movement for a battle that is being fought for only one thing: a decisive victory.
    Our armed forces have embarked on that journey whose sole goal is victory. In this epic war, we the people of Pakistan must have to stand by our army.

    The cliche that ‘this is not our war’ must be ended. This wasn’t our war but now it has become our war. Thanks to the former dictator.

    On Sept 11, 2001 the US was attacked. The attackers were Arabs. To take revenge, the US attacked Afghanistan. And since then, bloodbaths are occurring in our country.

    Why? The major reason is that the former dictator got Pakistan embroiled in the socalled war of the US against Afghanistan.

    It is Pakistan which is paying a hefty price of this un wise war of the US. Prior to 2001, there was no suicide attack in Pakistan.

    But after 2001, former religious organisations have been transformed into terrorist organisations and pose a terrible threat to the country from within. Now the question is, how do we take ourselves out of their clasp? The answer is simple and clear: our leaders should take the people of the stricken areas into confidence.

    They should be educated and development projects for these areas should be launched on an emergency basis. All seminaries that have become factories for producing terrorists must be abolished.

    A uniform educational system, either in English or Urdu, should be introduced throughout the country. We can never get rid of terrorists and terrorism unless the country is socially reformed. NABEEL ANWAR DHAKKU Chakwal

    this is apropos of shahid javed burki’s article ‘ideas can win the war’ (oct 27) in which he emphasises on the need of ‘people power’ move- ment for a battle that is being fought for only one thing: a decisive victory. our armed forces have em- barked on that journey whose sole goal is victory. in this epic war, we the people of pakistan must have to stand by our army. the cliche that ‘this is not our war’ must be ended. this wasn’t our war but now it has become our war. thanks to the former dictator. on sept 11, 2001 the us was attacked. the attackers were arabs. to take revenge, the us attacked afghanistan. and since then, bloodbaths are occurring in our country. why? the major reason is that the former dictator got pakistan embroiled in the so- called war of the us against afghanistan. it is pakistan which is pay- ing a hefty price of this un- wise war of the us. prior to 2001, there was no suicide at- tack in pakistan. but after 2001, former reli- gious organisations have been transformed into terro- rist organisations and pose a terrible threat to the country from within. now the ques- tion is, how do we take our- selves out of their clasp? the answer is simple and clear: our leaders should take the people of the stricken areas into confidence. they should be educated and development projects for these areas should be launched on an emergency basis. all seminaries that have become factories for producing terrorists must be abolished. a uniform educational sys- tem, either in english or urdu, should be introduced throughout the country. we can never get rid of terrorists and terrorism unless the country is socially reformed. nabeel anwar dhakku chakwal


  11. Hi Pakistani Friends.. I am American and I am not here to advise you or preach you democracy like our govt is doing.. I want more insight into pakistani society .. in the sense exactly what common man in pakistan thinks about us..especially in the light of recent State Secy Ms. Clinton visit to pakistan.I feel very sorry for the civilians who lost life in Bomb blast in peshawar.
    With the general comments on this forum I am not unerstanding whether you people has problem with us ( common man in america) or you have issues with our government . .this is one thing
    The other thing is With the current experiment of democracy what you people think about democracy ? do you think you want democracy ? if yes then what democracy you will prefer .presidential or parliamentary one ? There is popular perception and often cynical that democracy cannot sustain in muslim world .. Do you think Pakistan can be exception to this perception or claim and you will build strong democracy ? or you think Democracy is a type of system which is suited for west and not suited for muslim world.. do you think America is preaching rather imposing democracy to the world ( Iraq, Afganistan & now pakistan ? or somewhere you feel that “Democracy will solve the mess created in the region”?


    • You want the truth then have the heart to listen to it!.American’s are the greatest hypocrites in the world who preach peace yet distribute weapons to every nation on the planet.A corrupt and immoral society you consider yourselves to be the world police force but we’ll not be bullied into accepting your attitude instead will resist until our last breath.

      You have killed thousands of innocents in Afghanistan and lied to the world about the Iraqis having weapons of mass destruction when none were found.What about your weapons of destruction…you have enough ammunition to make ten holes in the planet yet feel that you’re above the law.You support zionist Israel in killing the innocent Palestinians then wonder why you’re the most hated people on the face of this planet!.Bill,your country stinks from the core like a dead rat and the world would be far better without it!.You’re the most immoral people ever to have lived and propogate evil values like gay marriages and forcing weaker nations to surrender!

      We don’t need western democracy enforced on us when our nation was built on Islam which is all that we require and that is our future.Pakistan are the very people who sent the old USSR packing from Afghanistan and i assure you that if the American’s don’t stop meddling in our affairs then you’ll also be sent home in bodybags because we’re becoming sick and tired of Yankee redneck proganda!.You’re getting killed in Afghanistan against an enemy you don’t even recognise with Pakistan paying the price for your failures so please get out!.Most Pakistanis like i detest American’s and will be happy to see you all die!


  12. Stephen Roach, chief economist, Morgan Stanley, has been warning the world for years about the impending financial crisis. In his new book, The Next Asia, he outlines the opportunities and the challenges for Asian countries for them to effect a change of guard. He spoke to Forbes India’s Shishir Prasad about, among other things, why he has started liking India as an investment destination.

    Is the world out of the recessionary woods as yet, especially the US?

    No, we are not out of the woods as yet. I see many dangers still ahead of us. I am not willing to “greenlight” the recovery. I don’t foresee any economic mega trend or technology trends that can create the consumer demand in the US. Lay-offs are still taking place and I haven’t seen any jumpstarts to the GDP.

    You are a huge China fan. But of late you have started liking India. Why?

    The case for India has become better in the last six months for one reason: The surprising and encouraging result of the elections. It lays out the possibility of politically driven reforms gathering speed. Then there is the micro-economic story of India which is about high-quality entrepreneurship. When you combine this with the macroeconomic fact of India’s savings rate [about 36 per cent] increasing dramatically, then the story begins to look very good. And it is not that I have turned negative on China. That economy is going through a phase where it will have to face up to some new challenges while India is doing fine for itself. And I don’t think it is either/or. In my view it is India and China and not India versus China.

    Indian Railways’ answer to low-cost airlines

    Vietnam’s great economic strides

    Business and its global players

    In the post-recessionary phase, how did China’s macro-managers fare against India’s entrepreneurs? And how did the Chinese consumers fare vis-a-vis Indian consumers?

    I think China’s macro-management is its strength. They need to recycle some of that strength into developing their domestic story. It is apparent now that China’s principal export markets are weak and they need to increase their internal private consumption.

    The strategy that China has pursued till now [export-led] has inherent limits.

    India’s success is in its entrepreneurs but it has to develop a macro-foundation, especially enabling infrastructure. In the last three-four years, the one thing that has changed for the better for India has been its savings rate. It is still less than that of China.

    China’s structure of economy is such that only 35 per cent is consumption-led while India’s is about 53 per cent. So China’s economy is much more unbalanced and India’s is better from that point of view. This is China’s wake up call.

    At the moment China does not seem to be showing the urgency but I think over the next one year they will come to appreciate this and try and modify their approach from being purely export-led.

    Even if China were to consume more and India were to maintain its consumption would it help? Can they be a credible replacement for the American consumer?

    For the time being ‘no’. America’s consumption is close to $9 trillion while China is about $1.2 trillion and India about $650 billion. There is no one who has stepped up to the plate on the demand side to fill the void of the American consumer. This situation will continue for at least three to five years. This is a lesson for the future that you can’t bank on a consumer like the world has done for the past few years on the overextended American consumer.

    Has it ever happened in economic history that the world was able to transition away from the leading consumer market?

    Not over the time period we are talking, about five to seven years. There are no parallels to this in history but then the world hasn’t quite encountered anything like this before. I see some dynamism in Asian consumer markets but Europe is weak and Japan’s economy has been weak now for almost 10 years. China and India are our only real hopes at this point of time.

    People in Asia are now seeing the pain that the American consumer is going through. Why would they want to splurge, especially on foreign goods, and lose the cushion of large reserves?

    That’s a serious challenge. Asia’s reserves are a natural outgrowth of the crisis of the 1990s. And that’s where I have a huge problem with people of the Washington Consensus, Mr. Bernanke and Mr. Greenspan, who keep talking about China’s surplus savings. They don’t take into account the fact that China has no social safety net. It is logical for Chinese people to save more.

    But I see this as an opportunity for China. If it invests its surplus into developing a social safety net, invests into unemployment insurance and health insurance then these savings can be put to good use.

    So is the domestic demand model of India then a better one as compared with the export-led model of China?

    No one is perfect. Domestic demand in India is constrained by the reforms that the government needs to enable. And a lot has not happened there. There are few divestments of public sector undertakings. The foreign direct investment rules have not been changed in retail and services.
    The RBI has been credited with saving India the extreme economic pain that is there in many parts of the world.
    Do you agree with the cautious approach that the RBI has shown?
    The RBI, Dr Reddy — that’s one of the great stories of India. They were fiercely independent and withstood the political pressures to have a more accommodating policy. India has benefited tremendously from the wisdom and courage of the RBI. When the world was talking about how difficult it was to spot asset bubbles, the RBI made sure that there was no such event in India.
    That’s a lesson for all central banks that they have to avoid asset bubbles at all costs. There are no excuses for allowing excess leverage. I would never want to see a repeat of what has happened just now. And so if the RBI has been cautious it is fine because they have been proven right and India has managed to weather the crisis much better.
    How will the world be without leverage and without excess consumption (of the kind shown by American consumer)? What does it mean for corporations around the world?
    Absence of leverage would mean that the quality of the financial system will go up while the quantity will come down. The mindless financial engineering of the last five years was a horrible mistake. It added no value.
    From a consumption point of view, much of the growth that the world saw in the last five-six years was not real. It was not real income being spent on purchase of those goods. That growth was asset–backed (mostly in the US), where people were looking at the rising price of their houses and feeling they had gotten richer.
    Companies will have to change their business model now that this “not-real” demand disappears and consumers don’t have access to credit like they did before. It is going to be challenging for many companies to handle this switch.
    You are an American and you have seen the pain that America is going through. How have you reacted to this crisis personally and what’s your advice to people who are living though this?
    It is a myth that there exists a shortcut to prosperity. The use of financial engineering and leverage will not make a bad business proposition look good for long. And neither will playing hot stocks from an individual point of view. You have to, as they say in America, get down in the trenches and do the hard work.
    Shortcuts are recipe for disaster.


  13. we just want Pakistan based on its founders view…Jinnah was not secular


  14. Hi Imran,
    You seem to be upset with my questions & I am sorry If its really hurted you. however looking at your answer, I think you diverted my question all-together. I was not talking about US pulling out of afgan & I personally feel that US pulling out of afgan will be disastraous for you (Pakistan) as in that case the Taliban & Al-Queda will re-group and gain stronhold in region continue to threaten Pakistan & India.
    I am not sure about why Pakistanis in general worrying about Israel.. Israel is the country created when Britsh left that part of the land and it was British understandin with Jews as community that the new country of Israle will be formed on that part..If you look, this situation is very similar to creation of pakistan. British left the sub-continent and they handover the freedom to two different countries. In this sense Pakistan’s case for palastine may need to be reviewed as their birth has same story.
    You are saying Pakistan do not want democracy, I wonder then what pakistan wants. Sharia law system where 1400 years laws of Human amputation implemented with fedual system.
    I don’t also understand then how musilms in general resides in weastern countries . as most of western countires have democracy and muslims are living happily. Thats is the reason I do not understand & I am going back to my original question rephrasing it “IS IT A MYTH THAT MUSLIM WORLD DO NOT LIKE DEMOCRACY” OR IT IS JUST BECAUSE OF THE GEO-POLITICAL ENVIORNMENT IN WHICH DEMOCRACY IS NOT A VIABLE OPTION ?”
    If it is not, then whats the best option do you think as a replacement of democracy ? military rule within constitution? I am curious to know .


    • Bill,

      America was created on the backs of million’s being slaughtered and the African’s being bought in chains so let’s not go down that road otherwise every nation would need to be destroyed but the point is that you support a criminal nation like Israel that kills innocents.

      You’re right that the British created Israel but today it’s become your bastard child who you support unconditionally.Yeah it could be disasterous if you leave Afghanistan where you shouldn’t have gone in the first place because we Pakistanis were having no problem’s with them until your illegal occupation.

      Your ignorance gets the better of you when describing Shariah law that is nothing like what you seem to think rather it protects the weak from the wicked.We don’t need lectures from you American’s when in your nation rape occurs after every few seconds as does murder.

      Muslim’s who live in the west respect the law of the land or they’d relocate however many westerners today also reside in Muslim nations from Malaysia to the Middle East infact you just invade then takeover!.The best solution for the west is Islamic democracy that is different to it’s western counterpart in philosophy and thought but it would also help if you imperialists would not force your values on us.


    • Dear Bill,

      Please don’t think that pulling og American Forces will be disastrous for Pakistan. Infact the presence of American & NATO forces in Afghanistan is complicating & confusing the issue altogether. Both Iraq & Afghanistan were in Peace before the U.S invaded and is holding it’s presence by force. Problems in Pakistan can be sorted out, but the west should give it time and stay away from medling in it’s internal affairs. Be it democracy or the Shariah Law of Amputation as you may view it. My advice is that in addition to Western Democracy, Communism and others there is an alternate system in Islam. The west fears it, that is why they are trying to impose their system. It is for the people of Pakistan to decide wether they want the Presidential or Parliamentary Democracy or the Shariah LAW. And yes to some xtent you pointed it correctly that “IT IS JUST BECAUSE OF THE GEO-POLITICAL ENVIORNMENT IN WHICH DEMOCRACY IS NOT A VIABLE OPTION” especially in case of Pakistan.

      Americans should leave the region and stop fooling their people that they are fighting for a just cause! It’s time you question your CORPORATE GOV. about their policies, use of tax money and their foreign policy. It is time to get the 9/11 commission to light instead of waiting for it be criticised and discovered for arguement after 25 years.


  15. @Humayun
    You have correctly raised a burning issue.For the last 62 years,Govts have been burying the issues under carpet,instead of analysing them to look for solutions.

    Recently,Mr.Siraj Durrani,Sind minister for Municipal Affairs,said that there are about 80,000 Kachchi Abadees,highest in the world.Moreover,about 1000 families are daily coming to Karachi from the upcountry.If,on an average,there are three in a family,that makes 3000 per day i.e about one million in one year.

    These people,obviously,create Law and order problems,thefts and dacoity occur to make their livelihood.They normally perform the menial work which otherwise settled people avoid.Before Defence Society gets started,a much bigger kachchi abadee is already established.Most of these people resort to illegal connections,no sewerage connections,no health facilities,no education.They make Qabza on any open plot as they have no place to live.The beutiful Hill park,Qabza group has taken it over.

    I am not saying that no other metropolitan city in Pakistan does not have such problems.Islamabad is also becoming like Karachi.

    One solutions to this is stop urbanisation,by creating job opportunities in rural areas,so that they do not have to migrate.

    Once,Zaid Hamid quoted a beautiful Hadeeth:

    “DO NOT LET YOUR CITIES TO GROW BIGGER IN SIZE”

    This is the best quotation on environmental hazards.


    • @Ultra Nationalist.
      To be honest with you.. I am getting sick of this blog PKKH..There was a huge hope nad optimisum when I visited this blog first time and seeing people of our age doing something for current mess.but I am disappointed this blog just discusses india and its failures and people are enojoying it in the name of patriotisum.. you see.. I have posted this comment about Electricity issues in Pakistan so that people will discuss on Pakistan’s burning issue.. but nobody is willing to discuss it .. everybody is busy bashing Indian muslims, hindus & generally indians, their failures . people don’t understand but we are just prooving that we are obsessed with them.I asked my pakistani American friend to visit this blog .. after two days he had same feelings and he said he will not participate in comments on the posts which are ultimately useless for pakistani people ..
      Today’s post on this blog also we are seeing India related as How they are seeing themselves as Military super-power if any .. how are we concerned for them if we have all our defense ready & we know our defence forces capability ..
      Several pakistanis have expressed this opinion in line with me .. and you notice the number of constructive comments are decreasing..People are commenting to bash nasty indians who come on this iste and comment they want and our people busy responding it ignoring the real burning issues and creating awareness among people.. THe posts on blog simply get hijacked due to These indians and some of our friends .. I would like to see this blog discusses our problem (Electricity, Wheat price, Sugar mafias) and how we can help normal people on streets who does not care about indian muslims,bollywood, Indian army, IAF..
      Mostly this is my last visit on this blog.. I am seeing it for last 6 months and it just Indian show in another way.. hope moderators will understand & implement otherwise this movement will die out simply becuase One day people can comment & feel India’s problem with maoist, second day they will do it .. third day they will not.. if you see last 5 blog post 2 blogs are Indian Maoist problems, 1 blog Indian muslim, 1 blog INdian army in general.. I mean if this is the forum we have to discuss India’s issues and not pakistan’s one then I am better of reading other blogs..

      Alah Hafiz


      • People normally discuss the topic of the headline.


      • Dear Humayn,

        I agree with what you have said. It started off very well! But as you pointed our correctly that like the Indians bring filth along with them where ever they go. They have managed to do the same here.
        They are reading the news here and referring it in other posts against Pakistan.
        India has it’s own problems & we are least interested in pointing them out, as they are known to most who have interacted with them or even visited India. I think this blog is posting these messages for the Indian readers & Pakistani readers are just having fun.
        I think we should give PKKH a bit more time & help develop this blog for constructive matters. They certainly have caught attention of many but should not loose their readers. They need to be very objective and should have a mission & Vision for Pakistan. The youth of Pakistan is there. No need to get frustrated, instead help develop. Be patient and don’t let the annoyance get you!


  16. These guys could not even win the local elections in Maharashtra!!!!!!
    The Indian muslim is as patriotic as anyone else in India.There are problems muslims face in India,granted,but the India muslim also can very well see what state pakistan is.
    The difference in what Jinnah’s pakistan was to be to be and what it actually is.
    The India muslim has access to all the media in the world and he /she sees the state of chaos in pakistan and knows that life is not also ‘jannat’ in pakistan.
    Actually the issue is another non-starter.The guys at deoband are free to say what they want.
    The Individual muslim will take his own decision.


  17. Hindu baniya ki ghatiya aur choti soch.


  18. @rajk
    Only,in last April,Musharraf attended Asia Today conclave,where you showed a paid bearded man,purpoting to be a Deobandi Moulavi.He was behaving abnormally.And now you say something else.

    BEECH CHOWRAHAY KAY HANDI PHOOT GAEE

    This is the real face of hypocratic India.

    We Pakistani Muslims are happy as long as Indian Muslims preserve their identity because that will pave the way for creation of another Pakistan in India.


    • Good joke .. Paki.. We indian muslims don’t want pakistan .. What pakistan is today ? we are much better when Our PM is Sikh ..Let me tel you… The Muslim nations has failed and history is witness .. that there will be no new country in the future will be formed on the basis of religion as entire world witnessed the failure of pakistan.. today your afgan brothers attacked another Army brigadiar.. “Kab tak bhagoge”

      Any my fired RaJK:
      Why do you need to come to this site and convince this thugs that Indians muslims are doing better and all.. why do you need to argue with this pakistanis.. remember .., even in 1965,1971 war or During babri riots and During Gujrat riots we muslim preffered to die in the fighting religious bigots but none of the muslim even went to pakistan.. There are much better blogs .. BTW I came across new blog 6ampacific.com.. visit it .. Babab Pradhan mainly writes on this .. very thoughtful


      • Taimur & Rjk..

        I am an Indian Muslim from Deccan, and I would like to ask Taimur and Rjk to stop being the ambassadors of the Indian Muslim community.

        No one has appointed both your asses to represent us. When you are satisfied and content speak about urseleves.

        Dont u see whats happening in India today with all muslims targetting and everything ?

        Knock some sense in to your bone heads

        You dont like it up here – dont try to grab attention by posting.

        Get lost if you dont like it !

        Allah hafiz !


    • RajK:
      I am indian muslim and I just came acorss this blog bec one of my friend ( muslim agian) enjoyed & told me that if you want entertainment before start of you day in office .. go to this blog..
      For us Indians this blog is just entertainment .. they are all busy predicting breaking of india and all becuase they are frustrated & their frustration is clearly visible on this forum. they are simply ignoring their issues thinking they are minor and eventually die out..
      Last thing is .. I am daily visitor of this blog and was silent so far enjoying how people are fighting on useless items. I was seeing you in every post trying to convince these people about Indian muslims . there is no need for you.. Indian musims knows theri strength and weakness and they know this experiment of pakistan is a failure.. to be honst.. We Indians had got buffer state in between because of this pakistan from hostile pushtoons.. If you want Indian muslims views visit http://www.indianmuslims.in


      • (sorry for poor english)
        do you remember Russia????
        when russians came here all the world said they captured Afghanistan… and when Pakistani patriots said they are just breaking and russia will get out of afghanistan no one belived……..
        now what about America…….. see the conditions in afghanistan… within and year they will get out….. india what india had done to pakistan in the presence of America they will get it back not same but with profet insha-ALLAH…..
        and if you are muslim then you must know about the time of Salahudin and Khalid bin Waleed…….. were they strong or it was the help of ALLAH which only true muslims belive.. and we have blind faith over Hadith Mubarika about Ghazwa -e- Hind.. and you make you office time good seing this blog. . . but when the time will come nither you will be safe niether your office and lal kila… (we dont need munafikeen)


      • @Taimur

        Who is asking you to come to Pakistan or Love Pakistan?? Read the majority of comments posted here!

        During Gujarat/Babri riots..who the hell invited you to Pakistan that you are talking about ‘we didn’t leave for Pakistan’! Go die, watch ur sisters/mothers/wives/daughters getting raped and burnt alive! You are happy…good for you!

        Didn’t TOI publish article months back stating an analyst has said Pakistan will break in 6 months?? So why such a hue and cry when others publish about India?? What were you guys frustrated about when you published that article?? Your own Sharad Pawar said India might break even though it is a nuclear power..just like the USSR!

        To all the Pakistanis – Don’t waste time cursing few Indian Muslims, they are already being cursed pretty badly on the TOI site..Read the comments under the topic about Vande Mataram – Hindus are calling Indian Muslims ‘Pigs and some are even saying they should be kicked out of the country and that they are responsible for all the mess in India’.


      • Well said IM… We shouldn’t curse Muslims anywhere even form Bangladesh. It’s true that we need to defend anything coming against Pakistan be it words even but be very careful when involving religion. Everyone has their share of problems and it really sint rosy for anyone. Dont let the annoyance or ignorance get you. We all know what Pakistan is and will always be here to stay Insha Allah. Allah is our protector, we don’t need to prove any a$$ kicking stories or boast of our capabilities. The presence of other nations and Internaitonal players in the region is proof! We need to unite & get the Muslims in favor for prayers & support!


      • BTW IM, They have started all sorts of cheap tactics portraying as Muslims, Bangoliz & others. We’ll never let them succeed 😉


      • Agree with you catalyst!


      • And thanks for the advice as well catalyst! =)


    • Taimur & Rjk

      I am an Indian Muslim from Deccan, and I would like to ask Taimur and Rjk to stop being the ambassadors of the Indian Muslim community.

      No one has appointed both your asses to represent us. When you are satisfied and content speak about urseleves.

      Dont u see whats happening in India today with all muslims targetting and everything ?

      Knock some sense in to your bone heads

      You dont like it up here – dont try to grab attention by posting.

      Get lost if you dont like it !

      Allah hafiz !


  19. Salaam to All Brothers ,

    Well it is a clear that these thackerays give statements every now and then not just to Muslims but to other Indians living in the same country to leave bombay (mumbai)..,this is just their another tactic to appease Hindu voters in maharashtra , but the fact to be appreciated and applauded is that although we are living in a hindu dominated country , ALLAH has given indian muslims the strength and courage to say on their faces that we wil not say “vanday matram” and live in the country ,May ALLAH give us more strength and guide so that we can do more dawah and spread the true ‘MESSAGE’

    and rest ALLAH knows best


    • ALLAH bless you brother… and all muslims all around the world. . . . . speacially indian cause you guys are living with hindus the worst people on earth…


    • Ameen! We know the great power of Muslims living there and the good they are contributing to their society locally aswell as Internationally. May Allah help all the muslims in their great effort & struggle for noble cause!


  20. The greatest joke are the Indian Muslim’s who don’t know where they stand then take out their anger on Pakistanis!.We don’t need you anymore then you do us so what’s the problem!.You need not worry about our problems when you jokers have your own neither are you compelled to visit this site.

    Instead stick to your “Groundhog Day” running around tree’s Bollywood rubbish leaving us in peace!.Go to any Indian website like rediff.com and you’ll see how you lot are equally obsessed with us…where every headline is Pakistan related so lets not behave like hypocrites.

    If we’re busy predicting the division of India then you’re also telling the world how Pakistan’s end is near on your forums,something that you slumdog’s have been predicting since independence.Nehru famously predicted that Pak wouldn’t last two years or something yet we’re still here and inshallah will remain until akhirah so deal with it!


  21. Taimur & Rjk.

    I am an Indian Muslim from Deccan, and I would like to ask Taimur and Rjk to stop being the ambassadors of the Indian Muslim community.

    No one has appointed both your asses to represent us. When you are satisfied and content speak about urseleves.

    Dont u see whats happening in India today with all muslims targetting and everything ?

    Knock some sense in to your bone heads

    You dont like it up here – dont try to grab attention by posting.

    Get lost if you dont like it !

    Allah hafiz !


  22. There are about 140 million Indian Muslim’s…i said there are about 140 million Muslim’s in India that is a massive number so it’s a stupid arguement to say that they all have similar feelings towards Pakistan/is…and the same holds true the other way!

    Those who especially have relatives across the border naturally have a soft corner for the other side thus are often accused of being traitors!.I’ll tell you that i once advertised on a matrimonial site mentioning that i was Pakistani yet most proposals were from Indian Muslimah’s!!!!

    They were rejected for obvious reasons and i’m now happily married to a Pak lady but it does tell you a few things.


  23. Taimur,

    You say that despite getting your ass whooped in Gujarat and after the Babri riots no Indian Muslim moved to Pakistan!!.This is partly because it’s not that easy to relocate to a different nation and what makes you think that we would have accepted your sorry existence??.We don’t need you so please get lost!


    • I am getting lost sir .. but you are providing me good daily dose of entertainment. after so muchbashing up you keep writing about posts about India & its muslim issues and all..The Indian muslim commented it write .. even India is dminated by hindus ( according to you) , still muslims are on their path. Supreme court of India had already given verdict about “Vande mataram” in Indian muslims favor . .When this decision is endorced it is endoced in front of out Hoe minister P. Chidambaram..but let me tell you. there are several muslims who say vende mataram.. A.R. Rehman has composed nice song “Vande Mataram” watch it..
      Only one sane person from pakistan I saw in this blog is Mr. Humayun.. He tried you to get your look at your own issues but you pakistanis are simply refusing.. I honestly thnik all Pakistanis commenting on this forum are not sitting in pakistan but they are sitting in London, Dubai etc. and are not feeling the pain of your common people .. thats the reason you are commenting on such posts and making fun of it because you are also usin this post as entertainment or timepass ..you actully feel nothing for them …
      So you are getting indian muslim responses so what .. how does it matter..? people has its own prefrences and views .. and from your posts like I mentioned you definitely not staying in Pakistan.. otherwise you could not have just one line reply to Mr. Humayun who had very good point.
      Lastly .. this post is clearly old one .. you will not post Mr. Chindaram attending the Deobani convention in India and endorcing Indian muslims view agian for obvious reason.. b ecuase somewhere in your mind you are hoping that Indian muslims will rise with you and India will break.. if that would have been the case .. it would have broke in 1965,1971 & Gujrat riots & all communal problems .. so now listen to Mr. Humayun and work for Pakistani muslims and do no care about Indian muslims ..
      You may be having relatives here & there .. that does not mean you have to take self-proclaimed savior role ..


      • Taimur bhai, please stop being obsessed with Pakistan & stop comin to this blog. We wish you all the best as Musharraf said in a remark to an Indian Muslim attendind the Asia Enclanve. We all know the diplomatic statement by the Indian Muslim to Pakistan for it to better survive in the hindu dominent society and we encourage it. We are not interested in getting more. As Humayun said we have our share of problems and this blog is helping us identify them. India talking is just commedy to Pakistan & it’s people and u can see the responses here. No one in Pakistan actually views India to be a better place. Stop proving it to us. Thank you for droping by and please sing the Vande Matram with more heart if you feel that much patriotism. We support you!


  24. Taimur,

    Why you are so upset.I repeat what I said above.

    As long as Indian Muslims follow Allah’s Commandments, preserve their Muslim identity,by men not marrying Hindu girls and do not give their sisters and daughters,in marriage to Hindu boys,we Pakistani Muslims have no problem.

    By the way,Channel QTV of ARY attracts,unlike you, lot of Indian Muslim voices which is very much satisfying and gives hope that Muslim race in India can not be vanished by Hindus.


    • Hey Paki.. you on’t worry at all about Indian muslism .. there are Muslims woh married to hindu boys & vice versa & you should not worry about that.. even if Islam is getting over from India .. why you are worrying.. Who are you pakistani to testify on our faith .. who said that you (pakistani) have responsibility of muslims of india .. are you fool.. In 1965 war higest military galentry award “paramveerchakra” has been won by Muslim pilot in IAF from Kerala.. go checck it ..
      So don’t worry about us .. there is nice long border between us and today we thank that border seperates us & our islam from your islam who has simply insulted prophet(PBUH). I don’t know about the channel you are mentioning .. but if it is attracting Indian muslim then it must be teaching some good abot islam that does not mean they are attracted to pakistan
      I repeat, history is witness.. No Country will be made in future on the basis of religion as entire word witnessed the failure of state created on the basis of religion.. The state Pakistan .. First it got created on the name of religion ..second within 25 years it broke on the basis of language ..
      You guys made yourself savior of islam and last hope of islam in the world as if islam born in 1947. bur actully pakistan as nation and your pakistani nationality has no value .

      Khuda Hafiz


      • All the Best please go to Indian Muslim ka khuda hafiz.COM

        No need to get sour. Thanks for droping BY!


      • It still has more value then getting raped by Hindu fundamentalists and your masjod’s being destroyed!.You can repeat whatever you want but Pak has been created and will continue to exist!

        Please do marry your women to Hindu men for that way they’ll stop looking towards Pakistan men as potential partners!.Sing “Vande Mataram” with honour and dignity as it’s the best way for another Gujarat to take place where you’d again be humiliated!!


  25. its not about bring indian, pakistani, british muslims. its about being follow Allah commandents as brother paki mentioned. its all about following quran, sunnah and thats all.when any one does that then u will break down the nationality barriers. coz once u will read prophet saw last sermon that no arabee is greater than ajamee and vice versa. we all know that at lots n lots places people doesnt follow that by being away from the religion for the time bring ONLY as inshAllah they will all come back ameen. so its pointless so argue to few of our misunderstood brothers who are arguing on human made borders among muslims.
    i must agree that moderators needs to make the site more fruitful and useful rather than critising India coz we have so much to tell our young generation like people like salahdin Ayubi, Khalid Bin Walid, Quaid e Azam , sir syed Ahmed Khan. Whaever happen to India it will happen inshAllah but lets alert out youth and educate them please.


    • Correct.. thats what I was saying in my comments.. It seems to me that this blog has lost the purpose of its creation or they were just charged earlier and not loosing their patience..
      We have so much issues.. Electricity,Wheat price, Sugar mafias,our own leaders.. I am asking to all pakistani readers of these blogs and comments
      I am final year engieering student in M.A.Jinnah University and I am from slightly lower middle class family and I daily go to college do my studies and read blogs about pakistan.. read daily newspaper and at the end of day sleep in confused state.. .. now please tell me what & how I can contribute towards current mess of our country .. by posting responses to Our Indian friends who are sometimes here for fun & getting us hooked on with them.. I observed. Indians are making comments only when the posts relate to them .. they are not commenting on the posts about Pakistan Army & other own issues.. so my brothers tell me please what we are achieving with this forum ? Past 6 months I am on this blog and first 3 months was good .. watch useful videos,articles and then .. after 3 months finding myself daily found posting comments on the posts which are nothing about me & nor my fellow countrymen & just trying to passify bloody indians who has nothing to do with us ..
      honestly introspect .. what is the purpose of this blog discussing indian muslims? We are tryin to show that we in pakistan are better becuase nobody calling us traitor .. so .. that is fact and nobody is calling us that way… but that is not ending our issues and our country’s problem ..
      What do you think as student I can contribute to the mission ?


      • Humayun you sopke my heart.
        Please send email to

        takmeel.e.pakistan@gmail.com

        The change has started. Awarness is in full swing now the youth has to come forward to take responsibility starting by being a good Muslim and influence around him in his daily day to day activities. Socialize & contribute +ve in your community no matter how small the tasks are. Don’t let the -ve here get to you. This is becoming a source of getting more stronger as we know very clearly that outsiders would not like to see us prosper or improve. It means that we are in the right direction. No need to contribute in the filth but stay focused on your objective that is to make life better for yourself and people around you. As student you have alot of potential & energy. Gather support and work on it as a project to help overcome any short comings in your immediate surrounding. It’ll help us improve fraction of a fraction but in quantity will help us improvel a lot. You are not alone, just be the miracle and take the initiative and see how things start taking shape…


      • There will be comments on all topics here including those dealing with India.They also have million’s of topic on Pak on their sites so should discuss them amongst themselves.


  26. Read “now loosing their patience” instead of “not loosing”


    • Don’t believe in everything you read or site you visit!.Plenty of non-Muslims in Pak that you can see on youtube.com


    • One question sal –
      Why is India been put in the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom `watch list’ and NOT Pakistan???
      http://pewforum.org/news/display.php?NewsID=18553

      Secondly when many Christians were displaced and they were living in camps they were told to convert to Hinduism if they want food! In Orissa nuns were raped and burnt alive. Scores of Christians converted to Hinduism in Orissa’s Kandhamal district to save their lives and properties after receiving threats. – “The villagers tonsured my head and forced me to drink cow dung water,” a victim claimed in a relief camp in this town.

      Secular India eh?
      http://www.iheu.org/node/1329


  27. Taimur,
    Thanks for your self exposing comment about your faith.
    Enjoy Hindu rituals,as you believe marrying Hidus,which is forbidden in Islam.Create your own brand of faith whose followers you call Muslim.

    Ram be with you.


  28. By the way Udhav Thakrey’s warning is not for you. It is to those Muslims who insist on their Muslim identity.Udhav has no problem with those who decieve by keeping mulsim name.


  29. I appreciate everyone comments which is in good faith for Islam and Pakistan not for the sake of just arguement sake. Appreciate Paki, Humayun, catalyst and others.

    Mayoosi is gunaah is our faith. and remember our beloved prophet SAW had only 1000 hujjaj in first hajj when he didnt go and then next year it was 100,000. the year called year of amul wafood (year of groups / diplomates) so if something is blurred this moment doesnt mean it will be blurred next moment.
    keep the faith in Allah and sunnah and we are will be fine not only here but in Akhirat too. inshAllah.
    bless you all muslims n non muslims

    can someone give me email of pkkh moderators please
    Thanks


  30. in my last post i share my views abt indian muslims and i am not talking without reason …
    it is fact and i experienced it i m working in a gulf country and i work with many muslim indians and they realy realy……………………….. believe me hate pakistan and pakistanis and now a days when every single day bad news r coming out from pakistan they say ohhhhh pakistan is in its last stages and from there faces u can clearly feel joy and happiness on our pain …………..so i am very much convinced in my mind that these r slaves of there hindu ” banya” masters .
    so please all my pakistani borthers clear ur minds abt india and indians they where not our friends not now and not in future…………
    please every one love’s pakistan should come out from there fake bollywood bullshit lies india is nothing infront of pakistan in any field .


  31. @Catalyst.

    No friend.. I am not really instrested now with all this experiment of new movement on this blog .. despite my comments . our people are busy responding indians who are coming here for timepass when they get boared from their work.. but our people still respnding them trying to porrve how they are bad or how indian muslims are not getting anywhere etc. how does it matter to us ..The line has been drawn 62 years before . and we muslims both side busy thinking What woul have happened if I have crossed the line or not crossed the line ..& in fact We ( me means we.. today those are alive ) never have choice where we will be born.. so I honestly feel Indians who are in India are loyal to India and are following the constitution of that country and we Pakistanis now born here in pakistan think about pakistan and make it better rather than worrying about people who not corssed the border and today those are in India had not made choice of living behind ( they were nor born that timee0..
    please see last 5 or even 10 post .. 80% of the blogs are about India..Sadly.. one comment made by Indian Taimur touched me.. he said .. all pakistani commentors on this blog sitting outside pakistan and seeing the pain but not feeling it .. I am coming under same conclusion and I am living in pakista and I want to stay here & work here.. so with all my problems I cannot keep arguing with these indians & want to work for pakistan… You people Catalysy, saif, paki are sitting out of pakistan and thats the reason you trying to bashing indians ignoring pakistan that too on the issues which has nothing to do with us (pakistan) today..


    • Rising and shining and dumping India

      Poverty Graph
      =======

      According to WFP, India accounts around 50% of the world’s hungry. (more than in the whole of Africa) and its fiscal deficit is one of the highest in the world. India’s Global Hunger Index (GHI) score is 23.7, a rank of 66th out of 88 countries. India’s rating is slightly above Bangladesh but below all other South Asian nations and listed under “ALARMING” category

      The Current Account Balance of India

      “A major area of vulnerability for us is the high consolidated public-debt to GDP ratio of over 70 percent … (and) consolidated fiscal deficit,” says the Governor of Reserve Bank of India (RBI), Mr. Yaga Venugopal Reddy.

      Wealth
      =======

      According to CIA world fact book, the Current account balance of India is -37,510,000,000 (minus) while China is the wealthiest country in the world with $ 426,100,000,000 (Plus) . India listed as 182 and China as no.1

      Human Development Index
      =======================

      The Human Development Report for 2009 released by the UNDP ranked India 134 out of 182 countries, working it out through measures of life expectancy, education and income. India has an emigration rate of 0.8%. The major continent of destination for migrants from India is Asia with 72.0% of emigrants living there. The report found that India’s GDP per capita (purchasing power parity) is $2,753, far below Malaysia’s $13,518

      Chew on this SUPER Crap ! :D:D


    • @ Humanyun
      Aray mera bhai don’t give up on your fate! Just come back stronger, as i said start with your immediate surroundings. To tell you the truth I hear you, I may be outside but my brothers & sisters are in Pakistan. Am in touch with them in routine and current situation worries me… I am trying my best to do my share through the OPF but i feel the people in Pakistan deserve more…
      Frankly speaking I don’t even read the Indian comments at all. I only look what my eyes want to see and that is our own fellow country men. They’ll continue to filth & spread dirt we are not interested in it. Our Bro His Royal Highness Emperor.Babur deals them well! let him engage them 🙂 As they understand that language well, believe me! if you wish to contribute in other areas you should focus and work on them!
      Every one should do their share to Pakistan in the way they think they can do best!


  32. For all these years since independence the Pakistani military has managed to keep its people under an evil illusion – feeding them dogmatic morsels of anti-India propaganda,only to serve its own supremacist interests.Spreading canards abouts Indians – and Hindus has been a pet favourite – conveniently forgetting that Pakistani military has not won a single war with the so called ‘Hindu ‘India.It has only suffered reverses – 1971,1965,Siachien,Kargil and now the proxy war in Kashmir.The truth is that Pakistan is failing because of the extremist component in its Army – which has emptied up all its coffers and carved a strategy which was bound to fail.The Pakistani Army top brass has become an oligarchy in itself – impossible to reign in domestically.From Yahya to Gen Zia to Musharraf – all military rulers have ruined the identity of Pakistan.If only Pakistan could have become what its founding father wanted it to become – a liberal state with Muslim majority – and not a Islamic theocracy which Zia almost made it – the fate of the Indian subcontinent would have been very different.The Pak Army created the Taliban – hand in glove with America – and now is fighting the same monster for its survival.Americans continue to use Pakistan like a condom and Pakistanis cannot do anything but to accept their fate.Pakistani Army propaganda machine paints India as a ‘anti-Islamic’ country,forgetting that there are more Muslims in India than the whole of Pakistan.India has prominent Muslims in every walk of life – there have been two Muslim Presidents so far.India’s present Vice President is a Muslim.India’s top businessman and internationally recognised IT czar – Azim Premji also belongs to the faith.The point is that india continues to move on a constitutionally defined liberal path – secular,socialist and democratic.India has its many flaws but overall there is lots of optimism about the country.Pakistan is nowhere there – it remains tied up in its own contradictions.Unless Pakistanis see who their real enemy is – there is little hope of their country.The real enemy continues to play the Great Game,preferring to keep Pakistan as a pawn in the game.Pakistanis cannot see beyond India – some like to derive childlike pleasure in deriding small issues ,forgetting that this has no consequence for the future of their country.Pakistan needs to grow up and spit its venom of jealosy somewhere else – the foreigners continue to use Pakistan as a ‘nautch girl’ – dancing to their too familiar tunes.The country lives on doles – its ex-President is on the run.He cannot come back to the country after brandishing himself for 8 years as the saviour of Pakistan.The so called ‘father’ of Pakistan’s nuclear bomb lives under house arrest!The biggest misfortune is that Muslims have become Pakistan’s existential enemies – who are Taliban after all?The Punjabi terrorists,created by Pak Army have turned on to their masters.Pakistan has a crisis going on in every sphere of life – electricity,agriculture,economy,security and education.Extremists have gained upperhand over pragmatists and moderates.People like Zaid Hamid and Ahmaid Quereshi continue to poison young minds with anti-India propaganda.The saner lot of Pakistanis need to counter these merchants of hate and tell their folks that Hindus and Muslims lived in harmony for many years and the two-nation theory is a faulty theory.Today very few people bother about religion – they are worried about rozi-roti,bijli,pani,sadak.So wake up – face the real enemy and end the evil cycle of hatred.Religion alone is not going to take you anywhere in life.Pakistanis can never remove India from themselves because they came from there – they like Indian Bollywood movies (where Muslim stars rule),their favourite singers are Lata,Asha,Mohammad Rafi and Kishore.They secretly admire Sachin Tendulkar and Dhoni and they prefer to call themselves ‘Indians’ abroad(in the West)- so scared they are of retribution if described as Pakistani.’Paki’ has become a word of ridicule in the UK.All this has happened because the Army-extremist machine has created a distorted image of Pakistan internationally.So its high time the Pakistanis stopped listening to their Army-extremist propganda and started listening to their own conscience.Misconcieved ideas like we ruled India for 1000 years should be sent to the dustbin of history because that is not important for Pakistan’s survival.What is important is to make peace with India and fight the common enemy of extremism and fundamentalism.All the best to the Pakistan Army in fighting their self-created brothers in arms in Waziristan!


    • Rising and shining and dumping India

      Poverty Graph
      =======

      According to WFP, India accounts around 50% of the world’s hungry. (more than in the whole of Africa) and its fiscal deficit is one of the highest in the world. India’s Global Hunger Index (GHI) score is 23.7, a rank of 66th out of 88 countries. India’s rating is slightly above Bangladesh but below all other South Asian nations and listed under “ALARMING” category

      The Current Account Balance of India

      “A major area of vulnerability for us is the high consolidated public-debt to GDP ratio of over 70 percent … (and) consolidated fiscal deficit,” says the Governor of Reserve Bank of India (RBI), Mr. Yaga Venugopal Reddy.

      Wealth
      =======

      According to CIA world fact book, the Current account balance of India is -37,510,000,000 (minus) while China is the wealthiest country in the world with $ 426,100,000,000 (Plus) . India listed as 182 and China as no.1

      Human Development Index
      =======================

      The Human Development Report for 2009 released by the UNDP ranked India 134 out of 182 countries, working it out through measures of life expectancy, education and income. India has an emigration rate of 0.8%. The major continent of destination for migrants from India is Asia with 72.0% of emigrants living there. The report found that India’s GDP per capita (purchasing power parity) is $2,753, far below Malaysia’s $13,518

      Chew on this SUPER Crap ! 😀 😀


      • But Yogi was talknig about pakistan and you are taling about India and china.. All indians know we lag behind china .. however we are on right path.. Pakistan is dependent on West like anything..
        Its reall Ironic.. that China only helped pakistan of its own business interest.. they sell things to pakistan and not donate.. Till now its just 183m USD invested in Gwadar port and few power plant investment which results are sill not being seen.. whreas US is donating pakistan last 8 years about 7B USD and now also providing 7.5B USD as new aid .. still you people are drumming about china..
        Just one e.g.. Pakistan claims to build Fighter piliots but its Railways are buying engines from China and America .. a China turns down pakistan by digagreeing to transfer technology to pakistan… Chinense are selling things to pakistan but no company from pakistan doing anything in China .. even in IT . Indian companies are having large offices in China … and Chinese people work in it ..


      • Expatriate Muslims integrate less well with host societies than other expatriate communities. This started happening towards the end of the 20th century as Muslims all over the world sought their identity increasingly in religion. As a result, communities that had lived in peace in diaspora started feeling ill at ease and often found themselves in conflict with the host societies. Most expatriate Muslims don’t only feel alienated from the their new home, they also have reason to feel alienated from their old home. The problem of adaptation and acceptance abroad is compounded by an intense realization that back home too the ruling elites are either anti-Islamic or subservient to Western dominance. The preoccupation with politics back home prevents integration in the new home.

        At the root of the problem is the Muslim idea of the state. What kind of a state does the homo islamicus want to live in? For the time being, the matter is unresolved. There is no doubt that the Islamic state has to be a utopia, but what kind of utopia is not clear. In most countries, Muslims are still agitating for the establishment of this perfect state. If Islamic theory of the state is coherent and consistent then wherever the Islamic states have come into existence they must be identical. But the examples of Pakistan, Sudan, Iran and Afghanistan are inconsistent and even conflicting. The Islamic state in Iran is gradually reforming itself away from its pristine early ideal. It is in conflict with the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and to some extent with the Islamic republic of Pakistan. Most Arab expatriates in the UK are alienated from the ‘Islamic’ states they have fled.

        Negative indicators of integration:

        Talking in Lahore on 2 April 2001 about the Pakistani expatriate community living in the United Kingdom, Professor Muhammad Anwar of the University of Warwick, revealed significant research findings. The Pakistanis living in the UK are 700,000, the third largest minority community. (There are a million Indians in the UK.) The majority of these British Pakistanis are Kashmiris, including those displaced by Mangla Dam in Azad Kashmir. They are concentrated in four regions: 30 percent in and around London, 22 percent (100,000) in Birmingham, 20 percent (65,000) in Bradford, 20,000 in Manchester and 15,000 in Glasgow. The figure of 700,000 has grown from 5000 in 1951. Today, because of high birth-rate, fully 47 percent of them are under the age of 16, as compared to 17 percent for whites. They have the highest unemployment rate, five times more than the British average; and crime rate is higher among them than in any other community. Fully 2 percent of the prisoners rotting in British jails are Pakistanis, the highest for any one community.

        Unemployment is the cause of alienation and crime among them. Aggressive organizations like Hizb al-Tahrir and al-Muhajirun have come up by exploiting the unrest among the British Pakistani unemployed. There is discrimination in the UK against them and, as always, it is based on how ‘different’ the Pakistanis are from other citizens. The speaker gave no comparative figures but it was obvious that Muslims were less easily employed because of their namaz timings, fasting timings and conflicting Eid days, requiring the employers to make special arrangements. In the case of Muslim women, hijab came in the way of employment. After repeated experience, the employers simply refuse when they are faced by a Muslim or a Pakistani applicant without confirming whether he would insist on namaz exemptions or not. Pakistani Christians are however more readily accepted in the market. [This is also true of the private sector in Pakistan where Muslim employees usually lean on namaz for general absenteeism.]

        No good future prospects:

        Another figure which is comparable to Pakistan is the remarkable superiority of educational performance among girls. In the 5-plus category of grades, there were 41 percent girls compared to 21 percent boys. [In 1994, this figure was 22 percent girls and 20 percent boys, which means that the crisis of integration is of recent origin.] Girls didn’t mind getting married to Pakistani boys in Britain but increasingly resisted being married off to boys in the family back in Pakistan. British Pakistani boys (5 percent) did not marry British whites to the same extent as the blacks, and girls (1.4 percent) hardly married whites, thus pointing to the limits of integration of the Pakistani community. Another factor standing in the way of integration is the community’s involvement (around 75 percent) in Pakistan’s politics back home. Since Pakistani politics has become more and more religious, it is difficult for a British Pakistani to try consciously to participate in Britain’s secular politics. In terms of proportion, the community should have 8 members in the House of Commons instead of the one there now. Staying out of the competition for rights, the Pakistani community has also been hit hard by the death of Britain’s textile industry. Fully 20 percent of the community had been involved in this sector.

        Prof Muhammad Anwar predicted that in the next ten years the Pakistani

        community in the UK will suffer further decline in integration and

        prosperity. He said that the community’s Islamic and Pakistani identity will become stronger, which clearly means that there would be less integration. This will lead to more discrimination against them by a society coming under the influence of what he called Islamophobia.

        Negative role of Pakistani clergy:

        Pakistan was host in March 2001 to two British Pakistanis from Blackburn with Darwen Borough Council in the United Kingdom. They were accompanied by another British Pakistani who was secretary-general of The Muslim Council of Britain. They told Pakistani audiences about the performance of the Pakistani community in the British political system. Blackburn is near Manchester and has 25,000 inhabitants, a majority of them from Mirpur, Jhelum, Gujrat and Rawalpindi. The area had 27 mosques, each mosque manned by an imam and a khateeb, both sent from Pakistan. The majority of the mosques were in the control of the Deobandis, the school of thought now most involved in jehad in Afghanistan and Kashmir, arousing among some sections of Pakistan the ‘fear of Talibanisation’. In the UK, there are 1500 mosques and one can assume that most of the clerics controlling them come from Muslim ‘home’ countries. The visiting British Pakistanis expressed dissatisfaction with the clerics sent from Pakistan and thought that imams and khateebs more suited to the British Pakistani social environment should be chosen.

        The British parliament is going to consider a Terrorist Act bill which the government announced on 28 February 2001, containing a list 21 organization that the government wants banned on grounds of their terrorist activity. Needless to say, most of these organizations are Islamic. Out of them three belong to Pakistan: Harkatul Mujahideen, Jaish-e-Muhammad and Lashkar-e-Tayba. In Pakistan these are all powerful Deobandi-Wahabi outfits carrying out Pakistan’s jehad in Kashmir. The Muslim Council of Britain has already protested to the government about their inclusion in the list of terrorist organizations on the plea that they are a part of a liberation movement and could not be labelled terrorist. It is quite natural that the Pakistanis living in the UK are all agreed that they should not be banned. And their representatives, even if they disapprove of the activities of the three in the UK, have to go along with the community. What the list tends to demonstrate is the general British view of how integrated the Muslim community is. Needless to say, the two India-based organizations, Babbar Khalsa and International Sikh Federation, dubbed terrorist in the list, will not be defended by the one million British Indians. It indicates the higher level of integration achieved by the Indian community.

        Negative Muslim view of Christianity:

        In a recent book Islamic interpretations of Christianity (Edited by Lloyd Ridgeon, Curzon Press) the authors make a survey of what British Pakistani clerics think of Christianity. In a secular society like the UK it hardly matters what the expatriate community’s religious opinion is, but it does matter if one considers the dynamic of adjustment and assimilation essential to the future prosperity of the Pakistani community. Prof Muhammad Anwar noted in Lahore that the Pakistani community was at the vanguard of the religious reaction to the two great events which had engaged the attention of the British nation: the Gulf War and the Salman Rushdie affair. The Pakistani community chose to clash with the political and cultural ethos of the UK by transplanting the religious politics of Pakistan to their host country. According to his research findings, 75 percent of the Pakistanis in the UK were fully engaged in politics ‘back home’.

        The Pakistani clergy in the UK has not been able to properly interpret the Quranic edicts about Christianity and were compelled to pronounce a hostile opinion when interviewed. In particular the late Medinan verses (9:29-35) asking the Prophet PBUH to attack the Christians and force them to pay jizia, are not reconciled with the earlier verses favourable to the Christian faith. Apart from one Muslim scholar, no effort has been made by Muslim clerics to study Christian theology and the scriptures which they are bound by their faith to denounce as forgeries. Much of Islamophobia in the UK has been aroused by the indecision in the Muslim mind about what kind of state he wants. British Muslim organizations, Hizb al-Tahrir and al-Muhajirun, who believe in caliphate and oppose democracy, opened their offices in Lahore in 2001. In its first gathering, al-Muhajirun called for the overthrow of the Musharraf government. In the UK these organizations are considered a bit extreme but find little support. Additionally, they cannot indulge in any activity against British law because enforcement of the law in the UK is efficient; but in Pakistan, which is ‘soft’ internally, the two organizations can become factors of destabilisation, giving rise to the accusation that the UK is exporting Islamic terrorism to the Islamic states.


  33. Taimur,

    If you are so upset and this site is so terrible then why do you keep visiting instead i suggest you seek entertainment elsewhere!.This site has plenty of self-critisism of Pakistani politicians and it’s government infact if you’d care to go through it you’d realise that most reports are unrelated to India.

    Naturally being a Pakistani site some reports would be biased from your perspective but thats just the way it is.

    Yogi,

    You talk about proganda then tell us that Pak has not won a war against you!!.I assure you we kicked your butt’s in 65 and even liberated part of Kashmir prior to that but yes in return you did manage to take East Pak from us!.However understand that it was impossible to sustain a nation with India in the middle still despite being ten times smaller we still threaten you that says everything!.Yes we did rule India for 1000 years that still lights fire under your ass though your correct in saying that Pak has not yet become what it’s founding father had hoped!.I ask you that which nation ever became great after 60 years??

    Don’t the Indian media and Bajrang Dal poison the innocent minds of your youth but again you choose to ignore your shortcomings preferring to critisise us you hypocrite!.Actually most from my nation always call ourselves Pakistani and don’t admire any of your cricketers rather you’ve always been envious of Imran Khan for his personality and ravishing looks,Shoaib Akhtar and Wasim Akram because you guys are still to produce a fast bowler in your history!.We’re the T20 world champs and have also won the world hockey world cup four times compared to your one not forgetting having dominated Squash for a long period whilst you lot play kabbadi!!

    It’s true that many Pakistanis watch Slumdog soft-porn Bollywood movies but also remember that Pakistani wannabes like Mahesh Bhatt keeps kissing our ass begging for the likes of Atif Aslam to sing for him!.You guys love/d Noor Jehan,Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan,Junoon,Atif Aslam,Strings and Mehndi Hasan every bit as much as we do Lata,Kishore and Rafi!.Fact of the matter is that you dirty slumdog Indian’s have been obsessed with Pakistan ever since independence but have a hard time in admitting it however you’re correct in attacking the current Pak government for begging to the USA,the Pakistani people are not responsible for this!.Your getting killed by the Naxalites so why don’t you enlighten us on this issue eh if you’re so honest??.What you slumdog’s need to realise is that we will never accept your superiority complex which is exactly what you want!The word “Paki” certainly has recist undertones but i’d rather be called that then an “elephant worshipper”,”monkey worshipper” or better still a “cow piss drinker” that have become popular jokes over the internet!!


    • Imran,
      Fortunately the Bajrang Dal is a miniscule minority in India and Naxalites are quite manageable.I wonder if the same can be said about the different hues of Taliban that have started ruling Pakistan.Maybe Kerry and Lugar know!


      • One more thing for you Imran.Yes I personally admire Imran Khan and Wasim Akram,they were amazing bowlers with great fighting spirit.Incidentally they are also pragmatists and realists.Particularly Imran Khan who long before recognised the real enemy of your country and has been fighting those forces since he joined politics.We also like the artists from Pakistan,I am a fan of Ghulam Ali myself – he sings superbly.Sadly, these benevolent people have never got an opportunity to dictate Indo-Pak relations,it has been the Army-extremist complex that has crafted Pakistan’s India strategy.That is what I have highlighted in my first comment.Pakistani singers,musicians and sports people are treated very well in India – except for some odd stray incident of fundamentalist violence once in a while.But in Paksitan,Indians are demonised and Indian movies are officially banned(that did not prevent Musharraf from admiting that he was a big fan of Dilip Kumar!).People still watch smuggled Indian films and enjoy them.Pakistanis come to India to get themselves operated – particularly cardio surgeries.Still the dominant sentiment against India is hatred – why?This is what I am asking to all young people on this forum.How long will you allow your self centred Army and its senior brass(which has looted the country as it is)to define your policies?Even after the present state of affairs are you not wide awake?Who created these terrorists?Who indoctrinated them?Who promoted a policy of radicalism and fundamentalism in the 1980s?Who created a militarist state that has come to be known as worlds biggest source of terror?The answers are pretty obvious.Pakistan needs a revolution alright – it needs to become a Turkey and not a Saudi Arabia!


      • @ Yogi

        Ofcourse you admire ghulam ali and wasim akram and imran because they are the best of the best.

        But pakistan is a success because of its Islamic System. You see these people are a product of our current system, when its broken. Had it been fixed we would be back to ruling india by now.

        Secondly, when we have a neighbour in INdia, who likes to sends terrorists in through 26 consulates in afghanistan and through assets in Karachi but likes to preach PEACE on the face then it starts to get hypocritical.

        If you are so bent upon peace why did u interfere in East Pakistan ? – This is direct intervention with terrorism as an instrument.

        Or why are you turning the tap of to our water in kashmir ? Despite bilateral agreements – This is Hydrological Terrorism

        And now with what you are doing in Baluchistan and other areas under the guise of afghanistan.

        If pakistanis come to india for surgery then Indians also come to pakistan for trade and commerce. Pakistan is a specialist in producing surgical equipment, i bet you the surgical equipment being used in India are mostly of Pakistani Origin

        So two way trade is a very good thing ! We support it , it is you who killed our people through samjhota express blast….because u support terror.

        Your government supports it – why dont u first stop ur government from doing such actions before showing others the mirror.

        Your government, RAW together with other agencies has a policy of oppression of the kashmiris, the dallits, the shudrs, and the naxalites and the other 134 independance movements of INdia. Whichis the leading factor of india’s downfall.

        Manmohan singh himself admitted that the biggest threat to india are naxalites

        Why are you guys such big crooks ????? Why ???

        http://www.hindustantimes.com/special-news-report/News-Feed/Govt-misses-the-point-on-Naxalites/Article1-264821.aspx

        Who is responsible for this mess created in India today ? – your brahmins are radicals like BJP and bajrang dal are the main issue ?

        Whose responsible for the babri mosque ??

        Whose responsible for 80% of the indian people who live in less than a dollar a day ?

        India needs to become a Turkey whereas Pakistan will become a full fledge Islamic State just like constitution States .

        When you become a turkey basically another muslim country then you will have good relations with pakistan – which is bound to happen because no one is happy with brahmin rule 😀


  34. @ Yogi

    Ofcourse you admire ghulam ali and wasim akram and imran because they are the best of the best.

    But pakistan is a success because of its Islamic System. You see these people are a product of our current system, when its broken. Had it been fixed we would be back to ruling india by now.

    Secondly, when we have a neighbour in INdia, who likes to sends terrorists in through 26 consulates in afghanistan and through assets in Karachi but likes to preach PEACE on the face then it starts to get hypocritical.

    If you are so bent upon peace why did u interfere in East Pakistan ? – This is direct intervention with terrorism as an instrument.

    Or why are you turning the tap of to our water in kashmir ? Despite bilateral agreements – This is Hydrological Terrorism

    And now with what you are doing in Baluchistan and other areas under the guise of afghanistan.

    If pakistanis come to india for surgery then Indians also come to pakistan for trade and commerce. Pakistan is a specialist in producing surgical equipment, i bet you the surgical equipment being used in India are mostly of Pakistani Origin 😀

    So two way trade is a very good thing ! We support it , it is you who killed our people through samjhota express blast….because u support terror.

    Your government supports it – why dont u first stop ur government from doing such actions before showing others the mirror.

    Your government, RAW together with other agencies has a policy of oppression of the kashmiris, the dallits, the shudrs, and the naxalites and the other 134 independance movements of INdia. Whichis the leading factor of india’s downfall.

    Manmohan singh himself admitted that the biggest threat to india are naxalites 😀

    Why are you guys such big crooks ????? Why ??? 😀 😀

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/special-news-report/News-Feed/Govt-misses-the-point-on-Naxalites/Article1-264821.aspx

    Who is responsible for this mess created in India today ? – your brahmins are radicals like BJP and bajrang dal are the main issue ?

    Whose responsible for the babri mosque ??

    Whose responsible for 80% of the indian people who live in less than a dollar a day ?

    India needs to become a Turkey whereas Pakistan will become a full fledge Islamic State just like constitution States 🙂


  35. Today Peshwar has another suisicde bomb blast killing 30 people .. Last week Wesnesday killed 100 people in peshawar.. 30 p0eople in Eawal pind.. Sher ali Miyan.. rather than worying India becoming turky or anything … or rather than worrying about who are under bramihni rule plese worry about yourself.. its better to have bramin rule than that of Taliban.. Best of luck


    • @Ting Tong …

      When India becomes a turkey the terrorism we see in peshawar, islamabad and elsewhere u mentioned will not happen. Since this is a gift of india to us. Dont worry we are counting all this and will pay you back in full 🙂


  36. Dooms day India,

    What you provided in your copy and paste reports are so very old and meaningless!.I can equally provide many in return but choose not too as everyone knows the poverty in India!


  37. Traitors in politics in establishment in beaurucracy, dual standards for common man,,, still we think we can break india haah, we are in dilemma
    firstly try to understand meaning of couplet written on top of this page
    “Sabak phir parh sadaqat ka, adalat ka, shujaat ka”
    “lia jaay ga tujhsay kam dunya ki imamat ka”

    Jawab e shikwa
    “Yun to syed bhi ho mirza bhi ho afghan bhi ho”
    tum sabhi kuch ho
    batao to musalman bhi ho?


  38. AOA

    To all my brothers. PAKISTAN will always remain
    till QAYAMAT INSHA ALLAH.

    Dont be crazy bloody indians about PAKISTAN
    no one can defeat PAKISTAN



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