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Marvi Memom refused to meet Mrs. Clinton

November 3, 2009

Dear Secretary Clinton,
Whilst the message from you and your government is that of peace and friendship, the Kerry Lugar Bill passed by your legislative branch has been one of the main stumbling blocks in this mission. The assumption that Pakistanis have misunderstood the bill is equally faulty. Pakistanis have read the bill and understood your intent to micromanage Pakistan, to curtail Pakistan’s nuclear expansion program and to direct the war against extremism in Pakistan from White House.

What follows below is an understanding of the bill which needs to be amended if relations between US and patriotic Pakistanis have to be established. Your assertion that if we have issues with the bill we don’t need to take the money is ‘spot on’; patriotic Pakistanis have rejected your mere $1.5 billion. We will not negotiate on our country’s sovereignty and defence. And these are not mere slogans. They are based on facts which we read out of your conditionalities which do exist. And here are the facts Secretary Clinton:

1. The most controversial clause in the bill pertains to giving US ‘direct access to Pakistani nationals associated with such networks’. The explanation given in the note is equally unacceptable because it wants ‘cooperative efforts’ to combat proliferation to continue. This cooperation mentioned is intrusive since it demands ‘direct access’. Secretary Clinton, we have already handled our proliferators and believe in non priliferation. This we consider a breach of our sovereignty.

2. The reference to Pakistan military and intelligence agencies being involved in giving support to terrorists in the past is equally offensive. This is a clause which enables the Indian lobby to target Pakistan and hold it responsible for all future terrorist acts in the region.

3. The other issue pertains to the fact that President Obama’s regional security strategy will include working with ‘relevant governments and organizations in the region and elsewhere.’ The strategy which could include RAW and Mossad would be imposed on Pakistan for US national interest not Pakistan. And as such we cannot give the authority of making Pakistan’s security strategy to a US President.

4. There are references to expansion of Container Security Initiative at various Pakistani ports which we consider a security hazard.

5. The term sanctuary for terrorism implies that Pakistan is a failed state as is included in intelligence reforms and Terrorism Prevention Act 2004.

6. Bill allows ‘irregular forces to be used for US combat operations in Pakistan’ as stated in the Ronald Reagan Act 2005. This in effect gives legal cover to the Dynocores and Blackwaters which we Pakistanis have major issues with and consider a threat to our security.

7. The bill micromanages Pakistan’s important federal government agencies from education, madrassah’s to trade, to judiciary, to natural resources. All aid given will be to NGOs and if more than $100,000 is given those NGO files will become classified. As such Pakistan will not have access to such operations. This we consider an attempt by US to create its own financial political power bases for future.

8. Approximately $860 million of the aid will go back to US in the form of administrative expenses etc.  This truly reflects badly on the actual impact on an average Pakistani’s life.

Here were some of the issues with the bill. Now let’s examine what aggravates Pakistani sensitivities with regards to current US policies. And why you are not welcome in Pakistan by patriotic Pakistanis. This might help you understand why over 80% of Pakistanis have issues with your policies as per certain reliable surveys.

1. Firstly, the US stance in the war against extremism is biased towards protecting Indian and Afghan interests. The TTP and Baloch terrorists have been using these two countries and their resources as bases for their operations inside Pakistan as is proven by Pak military evidence. Whilst you consider Pakistan to be sovereign our aid is linked to these two countries which we find distasteful.

2. Whilst Pakistan’s nuclear program is an issue for US, the Indian nuclear program (civil nuclear technology agreement) is being allowed to expand without any blockades.

3. Whilst you have personally complemented Pak military efforts in your recent visit, at the same time there are conditionalities in giving aid to Pakistan to strengthen its military against terrorists. Certainly these terrorists are linked to India and as such conditionalities are one sided. Moreover, if Pakistan military is being complemented why can’t it be trusted with drone technology? Additionally US policy wishes to strengthen Pakistan’s parliament and yet it ignores the resolution passed by Pakistani parliament against drone attacks.

4.      Whilst Pakistan is a frontline state which has paid dearly in terms of men lost in battle with terrorists, US considers India and Pakistan to be equals. Where is the advantage Pakistan should get for cooperating on terrorism? $1.5 billion is a joke compared to the billions spent in Afghanistan and Iraq, even in Turkey and Egypt. As well as the fact that no where with other allies has US imposed intrusive conditionalities.

5. Whilst Pakistan is blamed for terrorist sanctuaries how many infiltrators coming from India and Afghanistan specifically have you managed to stop?

6. The commitment for ROZs looks like its dithering.  Where is the actual support for the tribals who have suffered the most in the war being fought to destabilize Pakistan?

7. What effort has the US played in cutting drug money which is destabilizing Pakistan and funding terrorism considering its source of entry is US backed Afghan territory. UN report confirms that after US entry into Afghanistan opium production has increased manifold. This is impacting Pakistan’s security since it’s ready financing for terrorism inside Pakistan.

Secretary Clinton,

If you wish to improve Pak-US bilateral, a more productive approach would have been to not justify the bill on arrival but rather to give an open ear  to the criticisms with a commitment to amending it. Since there have been no such commitments it seems fruitless to meet with you. This is even more disturbing considering that you have been given plenty of evidence of Pakistani uproar on the bill before your arrival. It’s a pity that the bill was executed minus real Pakistani input. This has no doubt created a diplomatic fiasco for the US. Instead of underestimating the fiasco or considering it a result of Pakistani lack of comprehension, it would have been better to deal with it head on: amending the bill being the only viable option.

Pakistan might have a government which is beholden to you for its future longevity, but there are patriotic Pakistanis who will defend the soil before accepting your policies of creating a US fiefdom in Pakistan.  As a young parliamentarian, I would only welcome you to Pakistan once we have evidence of your shift in policy so that Pakistan is dealt with as a sovereign country.

MARVI MEMON
This letter was first published by The Nation.

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28 comments

  1. This lady really deserves more attention then she’s been getting. Every time she speaks, it’s like she just speaks my mind.

    I know she’s been interviewed by Pakistanf1rst some time ago. Isn’t it possible for PKKH to approach her as well?


    • Yes she is a breathe of fresh air & a shinning hope for all the youth. We hope to see more young politicians taking the reign of Pakistani politics for a better future. We should be supporting the youth in today’s politics more.
      With respect to all senior politicians. I think we should thank them for their services over the years and think that they should now take a break and retire. Let the young energetic blood now take control of Pakistani Affais…


  2. Btw blogs stats shows 999,443 hits as we speak!!! =D

    Let me be the first to congratulate the crew in advance! Nice job guys, and keep it up!


  3. well done Marvi, i only wished those who met her could have responded in the same manner. it was disappointing how the Pakistani (so called)law students in Lahore and Pakistani journalists ( yellow journalism)put the questions to her.


  4. Salute to ths lady.

    I really feel proud that we had such brave, courageous, dignified women in PAKISTAN.

    We as PAKISTANI youth should support and must give more attention to these kind of persons rather than
    those cowards, filthy pigs like ZARDARI and REHMAN MALIK


  5. Marvi is very reasonable. We need more people like her.


  6. A1, FIRST CLASS, EXCELLENT, FANTASTIC…i really feel happy/proud/thankful to the young lady who has spoken bluntly for the entire Pakistan, i wish ppl like her are in the PM and President house and the ones currently residing there are hanging on the poles from ISB…love from a NewYorker Pakistani!


  7. CONGRATULATIONS 1,000,201 HITS NOW!!! 😉


  8. yeah! i heard about this lady, shes Patriotic Pakistani, & she really speaks the mind of all Patriotic Pakistanis…

    As far say PIG/SWINE ZARDARI & CO. is concerned, they must be thrown out of Presidency & Govt. Before they give any catastrophic Damage to Pakistan & it’s upcoming generations, I would LOVE to appreciate PKKH & TEAM here I must say that we really need People like DAN QUAYYUM & friends…

    Thumbs up! for MARVI MEMON & THUMBS UP for PKKH for Starting such a Project, which has brought the TRUTH & EVIL AGENDA of U.S.

    We need people like DAN QUAYYUM/friends & MARVI MEMON.

    “ZARDARY & CO. MURDABAD”

    PAKISTAN, PKKH, MARVI ZINDABAD!!!


  9. marvi you go girl,v all love u.. Ahmed Qureshi please invite her to you show “Loud & Clear”


  10. A true politician in the making, she knows how to draw attention and publicity……. !


  11. Hi,
    I am american and I just landed on this blog by accident while searching something on Ms. clinton..
    I understand Pakistani people are disgusted with americans and they hate Americans, Indians and Jews. It may due to fact that pakistan is forced to act on terrorisum in the country by americans .. I am ont getting the first point in this letter by gentleman or lady ( excuse me but I am not able to judge sex by Asian names)
    Quote”Firstly, the US stance in the war against extremism is biased towards protecting Indian and Afghan interests. The TTP and Baloch terrorists have been using these two countries and their resources as bases for their operations inside Pakistan as is proven by Pak military evidence. Whilst you consider Pakistan to be sovereign our aid is linked to these two countries which we find distasteful.”Quote..
    In the comments on the other posts Pakistani people are not opposing Afgan taliban, which indirectly means they accept the concept of islam preached by Afgan taliban ( beard compulsary, no education for girls, Islamic law) in short Islamic state as run 1400 years before when Islam spread in Arabian peninsula..
    however.. the TTP has the same concept of islam they are also demanding same kind of islamic state and since Pakistani army started this war on terror on Taliban by supporting Americans . they have started this terrorist act.. I am not getting Pakistani people are supporting afgan taliban & its islamic concept and at the same time oppose TTP who are having vision of same kind of islamic state .. is there any disconnect here ?


    • Dear Mr.Goodman,
      You need to understand the Pakistani society & culture, We are neighbors with Afghnistan. War at our door steps is not helping bring peace in the region. Instead America is working hands in hands with Mosaad, RAW & RAMA to destablize Pakistan. My Question is with all the Global powers & resources engaged in Afghanistan why do we witness that they fail to stop cross border terrorism on Pakistani soil, why is the drug trade at all time high and why is the sovereinty of the front line state being violated by U.S in shape of drone attacks. And why do we see a change is the words of Mr.Kerry immediately after signing the KL Bill? We are an Islamic country. A diverse & Moderate Islamic state that is also a Nuclear Power. Pakistan has never witnessed such destruction in when it colaborated with the U.S in the fall of the Soviet. I was never Anti America but now i am simply because of their bias policy towards Pakistan. If Afghans can live in peace under Talibans than let them live. We have all seen the kind of democracy that Iraq has been blessed with and paying heavily for it. We don’t want American Aid and we certainly don’t want them to tell us, how to manage our affairs. We are living in this region. America blew away it’s chances in Afghanistan when it abandoned Afghans after the fall of the Soviet & didnt make arrangements for all the fighters that it financed & trained against U.S.S.R in the name of Jihad. We support Afghan Talibans and their ideology for Afghan as the only solution to bringing back Peace again to the region. U.S. will be negotiating soon with the Afghan Talibans as they know very well that they are in a fight that’ll take them no where,,,


      • Thanks Catalyst..
        I see your point and views of Pakistanis as general and many of its justified in the sense..If afgan do not want democracy then why Americans are insisting on it & the iraq point is also very valid and I hope WH should consider it..however my original question still remain unanswred in the sense .. you (means Pakistan) support Afgan Taliban ..it is one of the only country to recognize the Taliban.. which means you support their version or vision of Islam.. the same Vision or version of Islam is being asked by TTP or Jamat-e-Islami etc.. they why pakistan is fighting with TTP as they are saying .. if Islamic law is established they do not have reason to fight .. so if America pulled out of this region ( and I personly feel it should pull out) . but these guys will be still fighting with you people for endorcing their islam .. and how will you oppose it when you support Afgan taliban’s version of islam..


      • @ Mr. Goodman

        The TTP is trying to get sympathy by taking the name ‘Islam’ to justify all the wrong things they do.

        I bet you don’t know what all happened when Sharia law (Islamic law) was imposed in Swat – They kept beheading innocent civilians as well as security forces,
        They kidnapped girls saying there men want to marry them. They even kidnapped young boys to brainwash them and use them for suicide bombing. Each of this thing is against the teachings of Islam.

        During the operation against them there were bottles of wine found in there hideouts. Wine is strictly prohibited in Islam, if they are so religious what were bottles of wine doing in there hideouts?? They have acknowledged being helped by India and Afghanistan. One of the commander even stated that a high level TTP commander was being given 150000 per month to attack security forces.

        Just because someone has beard and takes the name of Islam, does not mean he is a loyalist or a ‘real’ Muslim! Everything is not what it seems to be.


      • It doesnt matter If we support their version of Islam. They are a soverein country, they don’t want minorities to rule them. In their case Majority endorses Taliban style. In Pakistan Taliban are the minority. Even then Pakistan can handle them and still maintain good relations with the Afghan Talibans. Talibans in Afghanistan=Peace in the region. Democracy in Afghnistan=chaos in both Afghnistan & Pakistan. Don’t forget that Pakistan already has democracy and is a Nuclear power as well. And Yes the Americans should leave and provide protection on the Main land to their own people instead of harassing and invading other countries.


      • Catalyst, I don’t know where to being in my questions for you. You read like a conspiracy novel, that is fixated on blaming your shortcomings on everyone ( India, Jews, the ghost of blah blah etc etc)

        My question foremost to you is, where did you come with the hokey statement that Afghan people are pro Taliban as a majority? All the polling shows that they overwhelmingly are against the Taliban.

        Btw, that statement about Taliban= Peace. I’ll tell you I had a good laugh reading it. I mean_ were you just born yesterday?

        There is not a modicum of intellect or common sense in your diatribe.

        Absurd statements like – Front line states sovereignty being attacked by drones? You have never had any constitutional hold over those front line states. They are their own band of gypsies and law makers; it’s a stateless, lawless region and has been for decades.

        Just because someone claims the region on a map does not make it theirs. If the federal government can’t enforce its constitution on it period- it then becomes a landmass you claim in theory as being Pakistan.

        Mind you- We are not talking about some hoodlums not paying attention to the law or constitution, we are talking everyone in that region does not follow the Pakistan constitution and Pakistan has never enforced it ever on them. It’s a third world with another third world…

        Btw I leave you with the last fact. The golden triingle which includes Pakistan has always been the highest trafficker of drugs , regardless of the Afghan situation.


  12. excuse me sorry.. I realized Marvi memmom is lady by the comments here.. thank you and I apologize for making her reference as male


  13. @ To ALL THE INDIAN BIGOTS

    MARVI MEMON IS FROM BALUCHISTAN – you dumb asses this is how loyal baluchis are to pakistan !


    • i salute all the patriotic balochis adn sindhis adn pathans and punjaabis of dear pakistan!


  14. Hi,
    I am american and I just landed on this blog by accident while searching something on Ms. clinton..
    I understand Pakistani people are disgusted with americans and they hate Americans, Indians and Jews. It may due to fact that pakistan is forced to act on terrorisum in the country by americans .. I am ont getting the first point in this letter by gentleman or lady ( excuse me but I am not able to judge sex by Asian names)
    Quote”Firstly, the US stance in the war against extremism is biased towards protecting Indian and Afghan interests. The TTP and Baloch terrorists have been using these two countries and their resources as bases for their operations inside Pakistan as is proven by Pak military evidence. Whilst you consider Pakistan to be sovereign our aid is linked to these two countries which we find distasteful.”Quote..
    In the comments on the other posts Pakistani people are not opposing Afgan taliban, which indirectly means they accept the concept of islam preached by Afgan taliban ( beard compulsary, no education for girls, Islamic law) in short Islamic state as run 1400 years before when Islam spread in Arabian peninsula..
    however.. the TTP has the same concept of islam they are also demanding same kind of islamic state and since Pakistani army started this war on terror on Taliban by supporting Americans . they have started this terrorist act.. I am not getting Pakistani people are supporting afgan taliban & its islamic concept and at the same time oppose TTP who are having vision of same kind of islamic state .. is there any disconnect here ?


    • mr. goodman,if u wud go in depth of the karry loger bill, u wud know why pakistanis are in such rage and anger today, its not just about taliban or afghan or any other country, u guys dont have a clue i think of what plans ur govt. have for this country and its fellow men. had this kind of bill been put to work in a country like urself, what wud u have to do with it, ur govt. just wants u to stick to the taaliban issue, whereas what they are demanding from pakistanis is a sale out of their self respect and freedom and that is one thing, a free muslim state wud never agree to. pakistan is a v.peaceful nation, yet if pushed towards the wall , can act quite aggressively. its not a fight about taliban anymore, its about our solidarity now, plz try and listen to what everyone has to say, not jUST ur own ppl and govt.
      we will never accept that bullshit bill from ur rulers !


  15. marvi we are all with u inshallah, this letter was the voice of all true pakistanis, jazak allah khair!


  16. Thanks IM, I am trying to understand some of the things but one thing I am not clear .. this TTP as you say supported by Afgans and Indians If this holds good then why are they killing muslims in pakistan as they themselves ( suicode bombers) are muslims..& its like Civil war.. Also this Afgan Taliban are also using suicide bombing agianst american soldiers in Afganistan .. so I am now not getting out of my dobut as what is the difference between Afgan Taliban and TTP ? In overall I agree that America has played with this region and they should be pull out .. but world generally fears that this region will plunge into civil war.. DO you think American pull out will be of help ? what are the views of general pakistanis for american pulling out of afgan ?


    • @Mr Goodman
      The difference between Afghan taliban and TTP is that Afghan don’t kill innocent civilians… for them ‘fighting’ is about there country and people whereas the TTP it’s about money … they are just bunch of thugs paid to create chaos mainly so that the US can say in front of everyone that Pakistan nukes or the ‘Islamic’ Bomb as they like to call it are not safe.

      The Afghan taliban are even against attacks happening in Pakistan, they have called on Baitullah Mehsud when he was alive that if he wants to fight he should fight foreign forces in Afghanistan not kill innocent Pakistanis.

      BTW large amounts of mind altering drugs were also found in the bodies of a few militants killed during the operation in Swat.

      We definitely want the US out Afghanistan it is mainly because of them that Pakistan is suffering, the region was way peaceful before the US came here. I think the US should stop acting like the ‘savior of the world’ and take care of there own country and people first.

      PS – Watch this – The Afghan taliban ‘code of conduct’


      • OOps sorry having problem attaching youtube video!

        To watch the video, type on youtube – Taliban issues new code of conduct – 27 July 09


    • @Mr.Goodman
      I am confused about the Americans, can you please answer the following for me?

      Why didn’t the American people question their Governement? “where were their agencies?, when America had 9/11?: The Super power country with so many security agencies and resources failed to protect the Main land and their people. What is the use for them then?

      What is the current status of 9/11 Commission?

      Where is your tax money going?

      Why the U.S is so ignorant and doesn’t respect the U.N? and acts like a bully ?

      Why Americans are so hostile towards the Muslim world?

      Why does America take the responsibility and do the talking for Israel? They are a separate state, let them speak for themselves and be responsible for their actions.

      Did the U.S find any WMD in Iraq? (Well that is why they attacked it. rite?)

      Why U.S in the name of democracy is installing puppet regimes against the will of the people?
      Iraqis with Democracy in Iraq are witnessing worst times compared to Saddam. Afghans with democracy are killing each other.

      Accountability of the Bush Administration? The Gov. responsible for creating so much chaos around the world and current global recession (aftermaths of war) raising more hatred for the Americans.

      What does U.S want in Afghanistan? and why do they need Saudi & Pakistani help to negotiate with the Afghan Talibans now? (Are they accepting that, they sent their troops on a wild goose chase?)

      Why opium & drugs on high rise in Afghnistan? It is under American control.

      Why U.S. & NATO fail to stop miscreints moving from Afghanistan to Pakistan. They have the global budget & resources yet ask a 3rd world country to DO MORE!

      Why is U.S is so keen in giving Pakistan AID? We do not need it but still.

      How does the U.S view Pakistan? (Well surely they should be aware about their allies who helped in the U.S war against the Soviets, Bridge relations with China & the Current U.S war on Terror)

      Why the U.S abandoned Afghanistan after the fall of the Soviet? Who financed & trained these Afghan Talibans in the name of Jihad ? etc etc etc


  17. Mr Goodman. There are a number of differences between TTP and Taliban, some mentioned above. But that is not the important issue here. The important issue here is the asumption you make that if pakistan and pakistanis support (or rather not oppose) taliban, then one agrees with them. This is not true. The issue is that if people in Afghanistan choose Taliban, its their choice. And I would support even ppl like that, even when I disagree with them on a number of issues, if they can bring peace to the country. THAT is the most important thing.

    TTP is not about islam, its about undermining the interests of Pakistan, in the name of some misguided ideology.



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