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Another slap on Indian face, the reality of Indian growth: Let the world see

November 1, 2009

Foreign Aid and India: Financing the Leviathan State

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With a debate now raging over whether further foreign aid programs financed by U.S. taxpayers are justified in the post-Cold War era, a review of the development experience of the recipient of the largest amount of foreign aid is instructive. India has received more foreign aid than any other developing nation since the end of World War II–estimated at almost $55 billion since the beginning of its First Five-Year Plan in 1951.(1) It has long been an article of faith among development economists and policymakers that foreign aid is a necessary and central component of economic development, yet the record of Indian economic development since 1947 belies that view.

India has had one of the lowest rates of growth of all developing countries and remains one of the poorest countries in the world after almost 45 years of aid-financed, centrally planned development. Foreign aid has directly financed and sustained India’s centralized planning and control framework and thereby financed the growth of one of the noncommunist world’s largest and most inefficient public sectors. In 1988-89, 101 of the country’s 222 largest public-sector companies recorded losses and contributed to a federal deficit five times as large, in relative terms, as the U.S. budget deficit.(2)

Today, after nearly 45 years of planned economic development, India’s annual per capita income remains around $300. Almost 40 percent of Indians live below the official poverty line, and the absolute number of Indians in that category increased sharply between the late 1950s and the mid-1980s. In short, India is a paradigmatic case of the failure of government-sponsored aid; it stands as a dramatic testimonial to why such aid should go the way of the socialist development model it has bankrolled for decades.

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145 comments

  1. those mother fucker indians who use to call pakistani beggars it’s a slap on their face
    they are the biggest beggar and loser state

    hypocrite slumdog indiansssssss


    • This article clearly misses the Pakistan’s neccssity of Aid .. lets look..
      India’s external Debts : $200B
      India’s forex Reserves : $290B this shows India has money to replay all its debt and its actully using debt as leverage
      Lets look at Pakistan..
      Pakistan’s external debt : $51B
      Forex Reseves : $14B.. This is killing.. Pakistan has no option but to get aid otherwise they will be soon bankrupt.. The similar situation occurred in Dec 2008 because of which IMF thrown lifeline of $7.5B to avert BOP crisis..
      Becuase of Terrorisum issues.. FDI in pakistan is failling like anything.. It already dropped 58% compared to last year. in this case Paksitan do not have option but to go for aid. as they are no positon to asking more loans since repayment is question ..


      • @ shabbir

        Dude, what kind of drugs do you smoke ??

        I dont know whether to laugh at ur ignorance or to cry at your illteracy !

        What kind of an Idiot tallies the external debt of a country to their foreign exchange reserves ?? !!!

        Listen, when you dont know how to swim dont jump into the ocean !!

        Debt is a liability and is compared with TOTAL Assets !

        and foreign exchange is only ONE OF the assets of the country !

        If i take your lame and childish example

        US EXTERNAL DEBT = 14 trillion

        US foreign Exchange reserves = 83 billion

        here’s my source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign_exchange_reserves

        — DOES THIS MEAN THE US IS BANKRUPT ?—

        Then how are they still dolling out aid to other countries including 55 billion to India as well ?

        Man are you in your right mind when u decide to mislead the commonn man reading this forum ?

        If you are muslim like your name suggests you have to die one day and face Allah (swt).. dont make it worse on you by quoting BULLSHIT !

        Its not pakistan’s fault that we have america sitting right next door !

        It is because of america’s destabilization which caused us to go over our budget by 33 billion even with our internal corruption. But you tell when which country doesnt have greedy people ?

        Next time when you decide to utter RUBBISH ..give it a thought first …otherwise the only thing that comes out is DRIVEL !

        what a dumbass!


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        Peshawar: Fomer CIA Intelligence Officer Steven Cash is in charge of Blackwater operations in Peshawar. The Blackwater supervisory team in Peshawar includes James Bill William, Copper, Steven Cash, Roderick Christopher and Alisha Cambel. They have hired several Pakistani government officials and retired army personnel at remunerations as high as $2,000 per day. Various journalists have been approached and offered bribes by these officials to implement the PSYOPs in newspapers and electronic media in Pakistan. They are pushing journalists to publish news stories of Talibans, as the Psychological Operations group of US Army has planned. They are paying as high as $1000 per published news story to journalists. Meetings are held in various houses rented in University Town, Peshawar and residents have reported activities with tinted glasses jeeps during late night hours.

        Steven Cash is a former senior U.S. government official. Mr. Cash served as an Intelligence Officer with the Central Intelligence Agency, first as an Assistant General Counsel, and then with the Directorate of Operations. He also served as Chief Counsel to Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, and as Minority Staff Director of the Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security. From 2001 to 2003 he was a Professional Staff Member and Counsel for the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
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      • Y dont my pakistani brthers ask this shitty indian shabbir that what has 17-20% muslims got in india.Muslims r 1.5 to 2% in govtt jobs, less than 1.5% in private sector,29000 muslims in 14 lakh indian army.Muslims in india have only one central university i.e. AMU in which more than 50% of students in professional courses like engineering and medical r hindus.There was one JMI in delhi and osmania university in hyderabad, govtt. of india has taken its minority character.Wht Mr. shabbir talking abt is only for 15% swarna hindus(socalled upper caste hindus).
        Many facts of indian muslims living as worse than dalits in india is acknowledged in sacchar commision report.

        India is being ruled by brahmins(commonly known as pandits)they r hardly 5% but u see them everywhere almost 60% of indian beaureucrats r brahmins,most of the scientist,doctors r brahmins, even most of indian pms were brahmins
        Muslims r treated worst than third class citizen.Recently supreme court ordered enquiry on the killing of an mba student in dehradun(uttarakhand) and the supreme court is denying permission for enquiry on batla house new delhi encounter where three students were killed.Y the differences in two verdicts is cuz dehradun encounter was of a hindu student while batla house encounter were all muslim students from azamgarh u.p.
        In india every department is biased against muslims.go to http://www.twocircles.net to read abt muslims’s news in india.


    • But its our president and PM demanding the aid .. you preseident running to US and china for aid ..its not Indian PM..Its us who are debating on K-L aid bill not India .. India is better using World bank loans ..It built its Delhi Metro with the help of Japanese loans and also repayed the loan back.. this has boosted the confidance in economy..Delhi metro is huge success & built with the proper use of loan..now they are building Mumbai metro on the similar lines .. We in paakistan are not doing that ..I agree with the Indian commentator here. .The data shown is definitely worng .. India’s per capita GDP is well above $1000 USD in fact if you compare PPP terms it is above $2000 USD.


      • @ shabbir

        I think your a mental asylum case ?

        Are you cutting and pasting your dime store drivel from one forum to another ?

        Our president goes to africa as well, but i dont hear libya giving us aid ?

        Man are u nuts ?..or what kind of pot do u smoke ?

        I think ur running low on ur shot – go and get another weed shot.


    • EXACTLY Pari,

      This ticks me off that these Indian project a False image of India. Most of the allegations that they make against Pakisan, they are involved in it themselves. They often regurgitate this:

      1) Pakistan begs for money
      2) Pakistan’s nuclear capability is a favor from China
      3) Pakistan’s military capability is based on foreign help. Nothing indigenous produced.
      4) Pakistan supports terrorism and insurgencies in India.
      5) Pakistan’s nuclear scientists are theives.

      All of the above thing apply to India.

      1) They are beggers as well.
      2) They are still a third world country
      3) They developed their nuclear programs with the help of Russia and other countries.
      4) They have supported terrorism and insurgencies in Pakistan since 1947.

      Don’t they know that pretty soon people will find out the reality behind “Shining India” myth?


      • But world is not looking that way Asher .. Pakistan’s President comes to US for aid .. not India’s ..
        defintely they may be third world country but Pakistan is Third world coutry with Terrorisum as policy .. thats killing combination
        Point # 3 I am not aware of
        If they are pretty poor people .. are you satisfied with that . where are Pakista’s Ambani or Nandan nilkeni or companies liek Infy, reliance or wipro ..
        Thanks to Allah that My father left pakistan during 1970s and I am not holding pakistani passport. tell me what jobs you get when you passout from Pakistani colleges ..


      • Things are NOT as gloomy as you project @Ayaz,

        During the Musharraf era, Pakistan made huge progress (huge in terms of Pakistan) in education sector. We produce a far greater number of PHDs now. Number of universities have also increased. On top of that Pakistan has been sending graduates to MIT, Columbia etc.

        Pakistan’s policy is not terrorism. Stop insulting Pakistan like that. Why do you ignore the terrorism policies of India against Pakistan and Srilanka? What makes them any different? It is these willful ommissions of facts that tick me off. It is strange that you don’t know that Indian nuclear program was made by Russia. Do you think India was that advance in the 50s? Use your brain, will you?

        I can swear to God if I put some research into these Ambanis, Reliance or Nandans, I can dig up some hidden secrets. Actually, the personal war between Ambanis and other Indian group is well known. An Indian movie is based on this (Abhishek/Aishwarya).

        Many Pakistani citizens are holding jobs in many Western countries. It is true they have to take some more courses but these are usually general education. Pakistan follows British system where graduation is done in two-three years. The focus of Bsc or Bsc(hons) is on the major field of study. They eliminate unnecessary general education courses (like psychology, sociology etc) which is simply time wasters and are not utilized in the field. I am sure, if we dig up more, we can find out the true standing of Paksitan universities.


      • @ Ayaz,
        My dear, if you are so proud about the fact that your father left, then you have nothing to conttribute on this forum. Cherish your new found identity. You can’t deny the fact that even holding American passport will not make you one of them. Surely some day u’ll be cracked on and labeled as a terrorist & then identified as Pakistani Origin. Well I am also living abroad & I am committed to putting my confidence in Pakistan and am investing it in Pakistan. There are many like me and the people of Pakistan deserve an even more credit who choose to live in Pakistan and develop their lives there. My family chose to do so! Am glad to be a proud of it and some day in the very near future will be back to Pakistan with more commitment, Insha Allah.


  2. Hey but that’s okay. After all they do have a good number of their own billionaires who have anything a person could want. They have one of the fastest growing economies of the world, so the money will surely go to the poor. Foreign investment of money and innovation is ever rising. They are building super defence items like indigenous aircraft and choppers. Things are looking very bright πŸ™‚

    I don’t see how anyone in their position could STILL SCREW UP.

    Oh wait. Let me read that news item again… hmmm…


    • Well said !! LOL


  3. Please do not publish articles with half lies and please do not remove comments which are analyzing situation better. below is the world bank link on India
    http://devdata.worldbank.org/AAG/ind_aag.pdf . It shows India is performing better than SOuth Asian average..
    You mentioned after “Today, after nearly 45 years of planned economic development, India’s annual per capita income remains around $300”.. this is not today .. this was 15 years earlier .. Today India’s Per capita GDP is at $1171 .. it is higher than Pakistan …
    Biggest indicator is
    INdian compnaies today doing business in acros thw world ? which is the company in pakistan which can close to Reliance, Infy, Tatas , Wipros, Mahindras .. nobody in the world knows about Pakistani business …


    • @ Shabbir,

      The success of few Indian companies is really peanuts when you see how many Israeli companies are on NASDAQ. Israel a much smaller country than India is far advanced than her.

      The point this article is making is that people don’t see things in their true light. The world is shown a picture of Indian progress which really is on the surface. The progress is not measured interms of how many billionairres you have in India.

      India is a closed economy. India does not have a system in place where anyone can hope for being millionairre or billionairre. India is still wayyyy behind. This is no doubt a big chunks of Indians migrate to Europe or America and PREFER to live there.

      As far as Pakistan is concerned, you need to see her progress in the light of all the road blocks. You also need to realize that Pakistan is sitting on a real estate of “gold”. We have many many natural resources waiting to be tapped efficiently.

      The BIGGEST problem we have are the corrupt politicians who undersell these resources and who don’t do anything major to change the condition of the country. If once we remove that road block, I can guarantee you, Pakistan WILL rise to an Asian Tiger status within 5 years. There is PLENTY of money Pakistan can generate from her natural resources.


      • Now you are comparing india agianst Israil.. Isrial is having miniscule population compared to India..Nasdaq listing is not the criteria my friend any companies can be listed on Nasdaq and India have that .. India’s economy opened only in 1990s within 20 years the progress is good defintely not the best..
        If India is closed economy then Why ford is launching its car there ? why Jim immelt is going there and holding GE’s asia wide conference.. the fact is it is much bigger market waiting to be tapped..
        You are saying .. Lots of Indians are migrating to West .. I know many of my Indian friends who returned back from US and enjoying great jobs .. currently If oyu are qualified it is diffcult to get job in US ( I am in US for last 8 years) but in India people are getting .. some of my Indian collegues direcly joined Indian office from here with very good position .. In Pakistan everyone dying to get out of pakistan … Can’t you see our hippocracy .. we are bashing US in this forums but at the same time dying to go there.. Pakistani students are dying to go to UK bec there you can study and do job and they just hang on..
        COrrupt politicians are in India too.. but still our attitude is something we are lacking ..


      • @Shabbir,

        You keep doing willfully wrong comparison between India and Pakistan. When I do the same comparison, you scream. What is your problem?

        I am trying to tell you that don’t be so fixated on India. India is NOT a success story. A country full of copy-cats is NEVER a success story. What have they really invented? What systems have they really designed? NOTHING. ZILCH. ZERO. They simply copy the success moves of others.

        The example of Isreal is a very good example. Read it here:
        http://www.ahmedquraishi.com/article_detail.php?id=840

        This article is really a slap in the face of those who are unwilling to see the reality behind the glitter of “SHining India” myth.

        Listing on Nasdaq is DEFINITELY a criteria. It shows how many US companies are willing to do business in Israel inspite of all that instability in that region. Jews have absolute control over America. How these people attained it being much much smaller in number than Hindus? That is definitely a commendable effort.

        There is success story of Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia etc. Why should I ignore these and get fixated on India ONLY?

        One of the major reasons Indians are migrating to India is because they WERE here on H1 visa. After the dot com bust, they could not stay back. Specially in these trying times, US jobs are ONLY availabe to US citizens and green card holders.

        A lot of Pakistanis are going back to Pakistan. There are few who stay. They are going back because they want to build their nation. I am willing to move back to Pakistan only if I can get a job. It is just hard to find employment there if you have no connection.


    • @ shabbir

      Oh this guy again ?

      Dude Ive seen tens of your comments published ..then wat are you trying to prove by saying ” please publish my shit ” or “please dont publish articles of half truth ” ?

      India has these wonderful companies then why is the indian food minister urging people to eat rats ?

      — answer this question ———– and please give a straight response we pakistanis dont want bullshit !

      http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Agflation/idUSSIN34470120080818

      and next you’ll come and cry “why are u raping india on the internet with one issue ?

      OK …then why are indian people selling of their wives ?

      http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/indian-farmers-sell-wives-to-pay-debts/story-e6frev00-1225771304449

      Are you selling urs too ??

      Why are 400 million dallits or 40% of the countries population in shambles ???

      The World also knows about this India.

      The world knows very well about Reqo Diq, the largest diamond mines in balochistan and several other companies !!

      If today we are going through a rough patch because america is sitting right next to cause trouble then we are facing it with courage. If the same thing happened to you, like the british did you wouldnt stand a chance !!

      As for you, you should first try to figure out the relationship between debt and total assets …cuz u seem to be a confused individual !


      • Your comments does not making sense to me .. Indian poors are eating rats so .. how does it shows Pakistan is doing better and why this article should be in place here .. We should discuss about paksitan.. Showing other bad will not make us perfoect..

        Look at the news in Dawn. People are selling underage girls in Umerkot..
        http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/provinces/16-underage-girls-being-sold-into-marriage-in-umerkot-hs-10

        Bottom line is these are the problems in India and Pakistan.. today youth of pakistan has no option to run away from it


      • @ shabbir

        My comments only make sense to people who have a brain !

        You can be execused in this case !

        And u dodged the question again didnt u ?…

        I asked you when indians are eating rats how the hell are they progressing economically ?

        Answer my question with whatever lame comback you can come back with ?…if you cant then learn to shut up !


      • @ shabbir

        Although you have proven urself to be a complete dimwit by not responding to the foreign debt vs foreign reserve fiasco, which only a half baked high school drop out like you can come up with.

        Here lets see you come up with a pakistani that eats cow dung and drinks cow piss. Lets see you come up with a similar link for pakistan

        http://www.chowk.com/ilogs/65586/48030

        Here have fun !


    • if some call centers or some multi national company start production in india as you mentioned FORD this is because they will get cheep labour if they pays 4$/hr average in western countries and less than 1$/hr average in india,where only 1/5 of indians have shelter to live and the rest are not even have rights as other humans (cast system)…and if you are thinking that starting production in india is biggest achievment and indicator of an economic boom sorry dear…its all about cheep labour(managers,directors,engineers,etc)


      • I am sorry to say ..but we can do it .. we can achieve economic success only through creating jobs more and more jobs .. to create jobs we need investment in Pakistan like manufacuring plants etc..The cheap labour in india actully creating more jobs and pakistan definitely has potential..
        In you tube I saw video of “Salim Ghauri” you may know he is CEO Of netsol tech .. pakistan’s one of large IT company. He was saying India’s IT manpower cost is 30% higher than Pakistan so Pakistan definitely has major potential and Mr. Saleem is trying its best to get that potential for creating more jobs .. so even if Pakistan’s manpower cost is 30% cheaper why we are not getting big deals simple becuase of you kind of people .. who has no vision and every thing for you is inferior .. Your mentallity can be described as “We will not do small work & we cannot do big work”.. so ultimately do nothing and listen to 300-400 years old glorious muslim past.. We need more like Mr. Saleem Ghauri not ZH..& we are not providing right env so that more Mr. Ghauri kind will come and change the scenario..


    • Shabbir – Reliance is bigger than the whole of Pakistan. Collectively, both the Ambani brothers can support our whole Country forever. Incidentally, the richest Muslim in the world is also Indian – Mr. Azim Premji, 84% owner of the WIPRO Group, whose ancestor was the first finance minister of Pakistan.


  4. Another piece of foolishness by PKKH.. when we guys will grow up and open our eyes.. I am Pakistani American & working in US based bank.. I am working with Indian companies and let me tell you blank.. these Indian companies are much more respected here .. they have demonstrated their capability and our companies in Pakistan are not even on radar.. in fact Whenever topic of pakistan comes it comes alon with Afganistan and terrorisum.. and I worked with lot of Indian muslims working in these companies and clearly they are better placed that graduates in our country .. Tell me .. After you graduating from college in lahore or Karachi. what opportunities you guys have in pakistan .. everyone wants to come to west or easy option to rush middle east.. but these Indian graduates are easily getting decent jobs …
    The last but not least.. It is defintely better to labeld as Poor than to be labeled as Terroristt ..Pakistanis are not getting any respect which defintely enjoyed by Indians..


    • Ayaz,

      Stop beating about the bush. Come back to the point this professor has raised. This article is from an Indian professor of economics. Read that article with OBJECTIVELY. Don’t bring your Indian-pride in between.

      Bring out all the hidden facts and figures and let the world form her own opinions about India.


      • Figures are old .. this article is old.. can you give the source of article..& when it is published. The GDP per capita $300 is clearly wrong .. its pity that you cannot see that..
        The question remains same . if India is not doing better than why every company in the world is going there ?
        Why thomas friedman is writng about them ?
        why Indian companies are growing 22% in this world recession ?
        I am not showing India pride but i am aksing to open the eyes .. today heir youths are much more optimestic about their futures than that of us …
        Another point is in this era of information edge there are no hidden facts everyone in thw world knows India’s poverty and al that stuff .. but still economy is growing and thats what it needs ..


      • Ayaz,

        I ask you again. This article is written by a an economy professor at an American university. He definitely has authority in his field. His credibility is more than your conjectures about “200B Indian debt”.

        I and anyone with an objective mind will give more credence to this article than your statements borne out of your incomplete research.


    • @ Ayaz

      It seems to us pakistanis that guys like you have some sort of a mental block on equating success to “pleasing america”.

      If afghanistan and pakistan are not on the radar then what is the US doing in afghanistan and why are they destabilising pakistan by building the largest embassy in Islamabad ? – are you on drugs man ?

      and take a trip outside the US and whenever the topic of terrorism comes up the name of the US comes up right next to it. Think about it !

      Iraq has terrorism = US was there
      afghanistan has terrorism = Us was there

      Now Pakistan is on the recieving end = US is closeby

      And graduating from college and not being able to find jobs is not only a pakistani problem it is a problem prevalent in many countries – Take a drive by to Toronto, canada next time and see for urself

      http://www.notcanada.com

      here check this out as well – if it opens your eyes !


      • Actually if they get jobs washig dishes & dogs,,, they have a job rite Ayaz ??


    • Note one point Ayaz, MCB of Pakistan’s stocks skyrocketed. These stocks were being traded in Britian like hot cakes. Some analyst on American media was “awed” by that. They thought they may have some very strong Business Model. On further reading, I found out that they were selling “Interest-free” loans. Innocent Muslims got bought out. If you really analyze the “interest-free” product that they are selling is not really interest-free. They are exactly the same as US mortgage system. I will explain you later in detail how.

      The point I am making these analyst don’t know our people real well. There is huge corruption in India (not any different from Pakistan) and I know how it is “ingenious” of our folks to show good books to the foreigners.


    • Ayaz, i am in the same situation like u. Based in Europe, though. Can i ever imagine to settle down in Pakistan, in its present state. Now Way, especially when we are obsessed with hatred. Come on guys, lets use this forum to draft a vision for the Pakistan of tomorrow – atleast for the next generation. India bashing is a waste of time and will get us nowhere. I actually want to start a debate with like minded Pakistanis on this forum (not fanatics-please) ‘Is it really worth pursuing the Kashmir Issue – when disorder prevails within’. Any Takers??.


  5. Asher .. you are taling some senseless..do your research and try to dig out the fact is .. Reliance as company has change many people’s lives.. Its stock has made mots of people millioneres .. do your study on web and try to find out yourself.. The movie you are refering is ‘GURU’.. whatever the fact may be today warner brothers is tieing up with Ambani to produce hollywood flims .. Reliance is having the Asia’s largest refinary .. and lets drop reliance .. but if you look at other companies its still the same ..
    I am not interested in This Nuclear programms as these are showcase items ..
    Pakistan is sending graduates to MIT thats good .. but everyone cannot afford to come to MIT..or western countires .. where are opportunities for people in Pakistan.. I am talikng about pakistani jobs scenario not Phds and Pakistani coming to west .. today A graduate from lahore or karachi has little hope of finding decent job in Pakistan….
    All hope is not lost .. but its high time we need to look at these facts and work for better pakistan


    • @Ayaz,

      You are not getting my point. You keep throwing irrelevant examples or irrational “criteria” to judge Pakistan’s progress. When I do the same with India, you get upset. I am not quoting anything from my mind.

      Your premise is that “Pakistan is nothing because India has many billionairres etc.”

      I comeback and then compare India with Israel or China. The picture that appears DOES NOT look good.

      So, I want you to stop singing praises of India and LET us OBJECTIVELY analyze the myth (yes it is a myth) of “Shining India”.

      Just because a few US companies are doing business in India is NOT the criteria that things are good in India. It might give you a false sense of progress but one day when reality hits you, you will crash face down.

      I am just simply sick and tired of these tirades against Pakistan. Irrational bickerings, allegations, lies, misrepresentation of Pakistan’s realities. Things are not being shown in its true colors.

      Also one more thing which will throw you off your seat. Behind all this glamour of Bollywood is a HUGE investment by UNDERWORLD. This article also refers to an UNDERGROUND economy of India. Why you are not speaking on that? Somebody else will have to dig deeper.


      • My point is very simple…BOth India and Pakistan has troubles .. I am nowhere saying .. “Pakistan is nothing” .. my simple question is our economy is not generating jobs inside pakistan which Indian economy is doing .. There is “No Shinig India’ .. It was political slogan.. but how we as pakistanis will be benefitted by saying the world “Look India is doing bad its not shining” .. world will say .. thats fine .. but what are your achievements..
        YOu are saying few US companies .. Why Oracle is buying Iflex ? Why EDS is buying Mphasis? why Cap Gemini is buying Kanbay ..these are all Indian companies.. there are many more companies ..and it is helping india generates more and more jobs
        OK.. so you are saying “bollywood is not good becuase its funded by underworld or underground economy” nothing really matters for Indians.. bollywood is $11B industry .. due to this many more INdians are getting employed .. bolly wood acutully given boost to theater business/fashion business in india … see my point is all this said and done .. you look to any country Malaysia, Korea, china .. their growth comes from jobs .. lots and lots people got out of povery becuase of increase in jobs .. and I am afraid .. Unless our country could not generate jobs the economic growth will not come


      • But Ayaz, you need to see that India did not suffer from those malaise that Pakistan suffered. You also need to realize that India has malaise of her own type which will one day sink her ship.

        Pakistan’s start was shaky from the day one. Nehru and Patel made sure that Pakistan dies her own death. There is many proofs of their conniving. They have supported Mujiburahman, GM Syed, Khan AbdulGhaffar Khan, Baluch separatist elements etc from the day one. They continue to support terrorism in Pakistan. How can any company invest in an instable Pakistan? Inspite of all this many companies have investment in our country. They realize her potential. There are many Canadian companies, for example, doing business in Pakistan. Pakistan is the next outsourcing destination after the saturated markets of India.

        India from the day one enjoyed the unwavering support of many international powers.

        Think logically. Pakistan was created after the Osmanian Empire’s collapse. The very forces, the British, who put all their engergies in destorying Muslim unity, do think they will be willing to see these “rivals” rise back? NEVER. They will do anything to prevent Muslims to be rising power and they have continued to show that. They support India to keep Pakistan and China in check. They support Israel to keep the middleast in check. They place puppet regimes throughout the Muslim world (and in latin countries) who ONLY follow their dictats.

        In such difficult circumstances how can you expect Pakistan, or any other nation, to thrive? Inspite of all this Pakistan did manage to fair better than India in the 60s and has remained next to India as a popular destination for tourism and business. You know businesses are done where labor and other costs are still cheap (use logic. Hello!!)

        Your comparison becomes UNFAIR and IRRATIONAL.


      • Yaar i think it’s useless to argue with AYAZ simply as he is not living in Pakistan! My dear enjoy being American let Pakistaniz be Pakistani. Regarding Jobs. My whole family is living in the Middle East with my brothers working in Pakistan. Enough being said I think you really need to communicate with Pakistan more often then being obssessed with Indians & their media which too are lies. I am sure you have never been to India aswell, so please refrain from bashing Pakistan & simply learn the truth that all that shines in not Gold.


  6. Asher,

    Thats the point ” I am willing to move back, if I have job” .. thats our problem our country is not able to generate jobs..
    I am not comparising India with Pakistan. .and neither want to India with Isrial..
    India has many Nasdaq/NYSE listed companies .. even their banks like ICICI is listed on NYSE..
    Whats the point in showing your articles.. nobody is denying that there is no povery in india .. but despite that they are achieving success. .. Delhi Metro is example .. its only modern Metro in SOuth asian cities .. so as you say lets look at Malaysia or Israil.. now tell me what Pakistan should have ot do … ? its the same story what India is doing ..and its same what we need to do .. strenthen education..attract foreign investment ..etc.
    Its your misconception .. that only H1B are going back I have four friends 3 of them Green card holders and 1 is Indian Canadian citizen went back .. and have very decent jobs… agian point remain same .. this H1B is also benefitted them.. as people come here make money and invest back in India .. agian benefitting indian economy .. the interesting thing is a graduate joing Indian IT company can come here in US within 2 years make money and go back invest money and enjoy…


    • @Shabbir,

      You are simply “pulling my leg”. You aren’t interested in any educated discussion. This is ONLY getting ridiculous. After this no more participation in that. You guys are so DIE-hard Indian fans that you are unable to see the wrongs committed by India.

      I have never said that there are no jobs in Pakistan. I said you need to have connections in Pakistan to get a job. You can’t simply apply on the web and expect a call for an interview. That online recruiting hasn’t taken its roots in Pakistan. It is only starting. There ARE now companies who want your resume submitted online. I am corresponding with them.

      Delhi Metro is not an example of success. We have many such examples of success in Pakistan. Look at how Karachi is changed now. The infrastructure development sky-rocketed in Karachi. The project of Karachi metro is in works. There are many things of accomplishment Paksitan has made. Pakistan can manufacture her own drones and is even exporting them. Pakistan exports software. So, it is not like that things are not dynamic.

      Pakistan’s problmes are very complex. There is a huge foreign involvment. The Zardari government was planted. It wasn’t “eclected”.

      I have many Pakistani US citizens who have moved back to Pakistan. One example is the Dean of Computer Science department in Karach University. Mr. Saeed Mohammed Ghani is an MIT graduate and has been in Pakistan since the 1980s. Many Pakistani, US-educated, have gone back and started many software houses. Where the hell are you living?

      Pakistan is NOT behind India. Ofcourse, it is smaller in size and its successes will be accordingly.


      • Asher,
        I am also nowhere saying it is lacking behind india neither I am pulling your leg.. but writing of such articles just exposes our frustraton & nothing else..I am not understanding why we write such articles about India in PKKH..why are we so obsessed with it ? why can’t we write about things related to pakistan which can boost our morale of pakistani readers … Why can’t we write about achievements of Pakistan.. I am sorry to say .. but most of such articles shows the tendency as “India is poor, bad and it had so many problems so It is OK to have problems in Pakistan or Pakistan’s problems are nothing compared to it” why can’t we just leave india with all its propoganda aside and focus on ourselves..If its a real propoganda then they will fall on their face .. how does it matter to us ?? publish the articles about Pakistan’s growth, your updates about karachi are good so we want more such things ..
        My only point is “Showing India poor or bad, will not solve our problem and will not make us properous”..
        Brother you and me working for the same cause ..


      • Ayaz,

        Pakistani are increasingly becoming ASSERTIVE. Thanks to the videos of Zaid Hamid who has inculcated the love of Pakistan back into our hearts. Truly speaking all through the 80s & 90s, I felt very bad about Pakistan. I was not aware of Pakistan’s success and potential. I blamed Pakistan for everything until I came across Zaid Hamid. Then I realized “Hum kitnay paani mein hain”. I felt proud to be a Pakistani. I found out that we didn’t really do that bad. That progress is being made in Pakistan albeit slowly. I used to be meek and always had this guilty posture about Pakistan.

        Now I am not because I have seen the reality of India. I was once blinded by the glare of her perceived progress. And the progress it was not. I would have left India alone if I hadn’t found out how these BASTARDS have been STABBING us from behind (I have read article about how 35000 RAW insurgents are at work in Pakistan. Also the article of Bharat Verma talking about how to not let Gwadar project take off).

        These BASTARDS have filled me with distrust and disgust about them and it WILL NEVER CHANGE. They lie about everything. They keep bringing Kashmir issue while supporting all sorts of separatist movements in Pakistan. The still keep this desire of breaking Pakistan lurking in their hearts. They found this opportunity in the supposed US “war on terror” and they are fully cooperating to bring about the balkanization of Pakistan.

        So, I am NOT interested in listening to partial-truths about India. These people are LIARS. They are even attempting to change Indian history. There is a movment in full swing in India trying to disprove that India was never invaded by Aryans.

        So please don’t come here and expect people to believe in Indian lies and propagandas.


      • Ayaz,

        There are articles already published on PKKH about Pakistan’s infrastructure development. There are even youtube videos on those developmental project. There are articles about education sector in Pakistan; the international standing of our universities. Pakistanis are pretty darn good at IT. My brother-in-law company does business in Pakistan and he found out to his pleasant surprise, how deeply knowledgeable these folks were.

        The success story of Pakistan’s defence capabilities should be enough to stand tall. We are exporting dones!!! can you believe that? Our drones are bought by Germany and even US because they are very affordable ($15,000 dollars versus millions). Just do research and you will find out. Do you also know they are building an elite medical school cum hospital in collabration with Stanford University?


  7. Asher,

    Lets look at
    http://in.biz.yahoo.com/090930/137/bau9kg.html. India’s external debt $227B at june 2009.

    http://astrology.yahoo.com/channel/life/forex-reserve-of-india-top-10-countries-with-largest-foreign-exchange-reserves-509751/… India stands #5 in the countries list with the largest forex reserves .. This figure shows $262B which is of last years.. this year they had $290B after recesion

    You can get Pakistan’s figures in Dawn newspaper every monday edition of Economic & business reviews if you are reading them …


  8. It is not to say that Pakistan has no problems but to say that Pakistan is such a lowly country where no good has ever come out, is really an example of intense bias, envy and propaganda specially when India is part of the problem.

    All the stuff about development, economy building, prosperity boils down to loyal leadership. It is not the fault of Pakistan or ordinary Pakistanis that our leaders eat a major portion of funds. On top of that IMF puts strict restriction on loan repayment. Pakistan often has to pay back the loan by increasing taxes, reducing subsidies, decreasing the developmental budget, selling precious Pakistani natural resources dirt cheap.

    But you guys keep regurgitating the same old mantra that Pakistan has not done anything worthwhile in the international circle. How can Pakistan progress when you have appointed corrupt politicians to keep us under slavery. The leaders who are willing to sign up KL Bill eventhough it has too restrictive of conditions. It is basically your sovereignity for sale.


  9. So how much does aid does Isreal recieve compared to India and Egypt?? I thought Israel and Egypt were the biggest recipients, but I geuss India is probably a big recepient 2.


  10. @ Ayaz is a fool
    full of materialism and shit
    I graduated from UK ,, i dont wanna go back in there

    How desparate a person can be before he says thangod my father moved into this that and now i have a british passport.

    Soon u will leave ur father and mother, may be because theyr out of date and i doubt but less educated than you,,,,, just like ur father left his country


    • @ Ayaz
      if your father loss his job …how can your family pay monthly installments of house,car,education,etc???
      ALLAH ka shukar hai hum jitna kamatay hain utna hee kharch kartay hain…
      ask your father if he loss his job what are the options???i am sure the last and the only option your father will have “PAKISTAN wapas chaloo”
      and please inform us about your return we will welcome you!


      • Bottom line is Holding American Passport will not make him American and we have witnesses their descrimination when they label their fellow people (AYAZ) as terrorist having pakistani origin..


    • Hehehe … nice joke .. I know my responsibilty for my parents and you guys need not to worry about it as I will not come to you for the same .. Shut up and focus on the real issues rather than worroying about my American passport or my Family


      • Son I think you are an ungrateful Bangoli who fleed to the U.S in 1971 that doesn’t like to be called Pakistani, doesnt want to be an Indian and is not even proud of being a Bangoli aswell..


  11. All the folks criticizing PKKH of being obsessed with India’s downsides and not saying anything about Pakistans problems should really take some time to browse through this website :S PKKH has written tons on how our politicians are screwing up! You will not find a single Pakistani denying that. So keep that sort of advice to yourself.

    It doesn’t automatically imply that you can’t say anything about this huge nation with a superiority complex. If 30% of the country is progressing while the rest is piss poor, somewhere in between something went very very wrong. Do WE really need to say anything about it? No, it’s their problem to solve. But you sure as hell better say something on it when this same daydreaming neighbour starts to look down your country, suggesting we ought to take an example from them.


    • Well said AAKhan! =)


  12. @ shabbir

    Dude, what kind of drugs do you smoke ??

    I dont know whether to laugh at ur ignorance or to cry at your illteracy !

    What kind of an Idiot tallies the external debt of a country to their foreign exchange reserves ?? !!!

    Listen, when you dont know how to swim dont jump into the ocean !!

    Debt is a liability and is compared with TOTAL Assets !

    and foreign exchange is only ONE OF the assets of the country !

    If i take your lame and childish example

    US EXTERNAL DEBT = 14 trillion

    US foreign Exchange reserves = 83 billion

    here’s my source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign_exchange_reserves

    β€” DOES THIS MEAN THE US IS BANKRUPT ?β€”

    Then how are they still dolling out aid to other countries including 55 billion to India as well ?

    Man are you in your right mind when u decide to mislead the commonn man reading this forum ?

    If you are muslim like your name suggests you have to die one day and face Allah (swt).. dont make it worse on you by quoting BULLSHIT !

    Its not pakistan’s fault that we have america sitting right next door !

    It is because of america’s destabilization which caused us to go over our budget by 33 billion even with our internal corruption. But you tell when which country doesnt have greedy people ?

    Next time when you decide to utter RUBBISH ..give it a thought first …otherwise the only thing that comes out is DRIVEL !

    what a dumbass!


    • Sirjee you do not underatand the problem .. US external debt is $14 trillion .. US is not bankrupt but definitely the fear is .. thats is the reason warren buffer, Tim gartner & Larry king etc alerting public.. thats is the reason Jim rodgers says keep yout money in Gold not Dollars .. look at its currency.. don’t you see the CNN news of larry king making hue & cry of Devaluing US dollar .. lets look at below link
      http://www.marketwatch.com/story/warren-buffett-says-us-dollar-worthless-if-account-deficit-persists
      USD is going down it has depriciated agianst other major currencies ( GBP, Yen, Euro) .. in 2007 its was trading 119 agianst Yen today its trading 88..thatsi the reason Fed is making all hue & cry and Arab countires are looking for alternative currencies for Pricing Oil … US’s case cannot equate to pakistan simply becuase entire world including china is holding its trillions of Forex reserves in USD, entire world is using USD as trade currency & hence USD is supported by countries being investing/keeping all its money in their currency ..china is the one who is investing in US tresure securites ( keeping its money in USD) .. hence till now US is good going with its debt becuase people still use USD as trade currency and other rich countries ( china, Japan) still investing in US debt securites.
      Below link shows major countires holding US treasury securites..
      http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt
      Who is trusting Pakistan.. which country in the world keeping money in Pakistani Rs..when all counties starting using Pakistani Rs as their trae currency then you can have whatever debt you want … as you can anytime devalue the currency and pay off debts ..
      It simply shows how weak is your fundamentals of economics and overall understanding of world secnario..
      Please do not bring my religion ( Muslim) here .. I am pakistani but I believe that saying Bad to others will not make us happy..


      • @ shabbir

        lol lol lol …hahahahaha

        I still havent gotten ur argument over how is External Debt = Foreign Exhange reserves a ONE-ON-ONE comparison ? πŸ˜€

        Just explain this point πŸ˜€

        Then the debt of all the countries owed will be irrelevant ! – But a high school drop out like you cannot make sense out of such realities.

        To answer another one of your comical non-sense when the dollar was instituted as a world currency pakistan was only 30 years old and the US around 400. So they got this round, but what the hell, their currency is crashing like anything.

        Oh and by the way when ur done doing ur corpse washing job for 4 bucks an hour, come down to pakistan we always need street sweepers who think they know everything ! πŸ˜€ hahahahaha


  13. Asher..
    Agian how does it matter to you for Indian propoganda.. we will do our work for pakistan sincerely .. thats it .. “These BASTARDS have filled me with distrust and disgust about them and it WILL NEVER CHANGE. ” .. Indians are talking same thing about pakistan ..so what is the use of this rehetoric..
    lastly I am not sure of Mr zaid hamid . I watched all its program but I am not getting answers of our porblems .. all this Iqbal, Muslim Ummah and Khilafat is past .. today;s world is driven by economy… Does his lectures helped single company to come to Pakistan ? does his lectures pursuded IBM to open its R & D center in Karachi not bangalore ? simply speaking .. We need lectures about how to grow our economy 7-8% annually .. Can you ask Mr. Hamid how we will achieve it instead of usual doctrine of islam & khilafat and all . I am curious to know the answer ..


    • Okay Ayaz that is it. Your and Shabbir’s (I feel it is you) passionate defence of India and MAJOR dislike for Zaid Hamid proves you to be an Indian. In this message, you are literally babbling. I think many loyal Pakistanis on this forum have ripped ur arguments apart very well.

      Zaid Hamid has started a movement. Movements bear fruits over time. Result is already in full swing. Pakistanis, specially the youths, are rising and waking up to current realities. His videos have made IMMENSE effect in the minds of Pakistanis and specially Indians. Both of us wait for his next videos earnestly. An indian confided to us that big Indian leaders analyze his videos. They have all been awed by his strength, speaking power and truth-laden message. He ripped apart the Indian Bollywood like venture called “Nov 2008 Mumbai fiasco”. Boy, was he good. All Indian anchors looked like kids compared to him. There was ONLY one man from Pakistan fighting with so many in India. He has already started works on Gold economy. It is in its final stage. So don’t tell me that his movement is not working.

      You keep comparing Pakistan with on-the-surface-looking-good progress of India. Don’t do that. It is a lousy tactic. We are SIMPLY talking about India here. We are not interested in discussing Pakistan. We know our problems very well. We have given you a jolt of reality by showing you 40% of your population in stark poverty (below poverty line) and your government inaction to do something about them. Foreign companies are only interested in Indian markets. A few companies outsources to India,initially, but the experience didn’t prove to be as good as was previously thought. These companies were in there for cheap labors. That WAS the SOLE reason to transfer all software development to India. They could build software at a fraction of the US cost. Some Indian companies might have been listed on Nasdaq or Nyse. That only shows the US investors are trading those stocks. It is making the owner of the company richer but it is NOT trickling down to poor people.

      Does that translate to prosperity? Hell NO.

      I have major distrust of India and is on good reasons. Indians don’t have any justified claim. For many years Pakistan took crap from India. Now Pakistan is paying her back using her “own” currency. So, Indians shouldn’t be so distrusted of Pakistan. The day India accepts Pakistan as a sovereign nation, Pakistan will welcome as a good friend. Till that time, Pakistan has every right to be on guard. Specially, when India is part of our problem. Indians make all the deals with foreign countries for different developmental project but when Pakistan does that she comes in the way. Gwadar project Hinduwon ko bohat khalta hay. Bharat verma even said that we should counter this by supporting insurgencies in Baluchistan. They quickly helped Iran create a Chabahar port. What does that suggest? If India is doing so good then why should she care what pakistan develops. When US was selling F16 and AWACS to Pakistan, Indian lobby in USA opposed it. They were successful in AWACS.

      So what does this tell you? This shows us Pakistanis an UGLY face of our neighbor. This also shows her reluctance to respect Pakistan’s sovereignity. On the other hand, Pakistan has NEVER protestes India purchase of so much military technology from the world because we accept her as a sovereign nation. Indians routinely bomb our submarine production facilities in Baluchistan attacking french engineers or chinese engineers.

      I don’t see any reason Indians to be distrusted of Pakistan. Instead, Indian citizens should realize this and stop their government from committing acts of insanity.


      • @Asher,
        “Zaid Hamid has started a movement. Movements bear fruits over time. Result is already in full swing. Pakistanis, specially the youths, are rising and waking up to current realities.”.. No big worlds of movement and all .. What movement Zaid ahmed is starting .. “Khilafat”, “Guzva-e-hind”, muslim brotherhood .. these movements does not make sense to me .. It seems you are staying in US and Zaid Hamid is bashing up US all the time .. then why don’t you leave US and go to Pakistan and work there .. You will eventually find job though there are no online measn of finding jobs ..
        “He ripped apart the Indian Bollywood like venture called β€œNov 2008 Mumbai fiasco”. Boy, was he good. All Indian anchors looked like kids compared to him. There was ONLY one man from Pakistan fighting with so many in India. ” .. this is another myth & pitting your chest.. Pakistan offically accepted the responsibility of Mumbai attacks and made several arrests so there was no Mumbai attacks fiasco.. in fact whole world is watching this trial and if Pakistan failed to punish these terrorists then no world will give you aid and you keep thumping your economic growth (?) with MCB kind banks which is not known anywhere ..
        “You keep comparing Pakistan with on-the-surface-looking-good progress of India. Don’t do that. It is a lousy tactic. We are SIMPLY talking about India here. We are not interested in discussing Pakistan” .. I am not compairing pakistan with india rather I am saying why india is appearing on this forum.. this is pakistani forum and we should discuss about Pakistan’s success/failures not the India’s success/failures.. but all PKKH blogs are discussing only “Muslim Ummah” or India’s failures .. what pleasure we are getting in that.. I am looking this forum last one month .. & not a single blog on Pakistan’s economy or any success stories or how Paksitan’s youth should take available opprtunities .. you show me…
        “I have major distrust of India and is on good reasons. Indians don’t have any justified claim. For many years Pakistan took crap from India. Now Pakistan is paying her back using her β€œown” currency. So, Indians shouldn’t be so distrusted of Pakistan. The day India accepts Pakistan as a sovereign nation, Pakistan will welcome as a good friend.”… I don’t see that In my expirience ..Indians has accepted Pakistan has seperate nation long back.. this was endorced by Indian PM back in 1999 in Lahore where the 1940 resolution passed ..
        “A few companies outsources to India,initially, but the experience didn’t prove to be as good as was previously thought.” .. this is statement of ignorance .. If you look all the major companies are sending jobs to India .. My bank is US prominant bank and they are incresing India presence majorly .. whether its Cheap labour or talent .. Pakistan can achieve that .. but we never really tried. it is boosting up the Economy and people lives .. I have seen people.. These indian companies (wipro & all) recruits majority of people from India’s tier 2 or 3 cities engieering colleges and train them and in trun people get good job which helps to get entire family out of poverty.. I met many people who are the first graduate in their family histroy and now having capacity to buy home in Blore Hyd etc.. SO your opinion does not matter here .. The fact on the ground is differnt .. If US companies are not outsourcing then why accenture or IBM Is incresing offices in India ..
        Fianlly “I want to see bolgs about Pakistan .. its own story and its own achievement .. I am sure there are .. and blogs that should help pakistan’s youth about new global opportunities”” I as pakistani simply refuse to feel happy just becuase INdia is bad or poor or not doing for its poor .. What matters me is Paksitan ..
        Today Pindi had Bombbalst and 40 peopel killed.. rather than sitting in US and bashing up America why don’t you go to Pindi and help people .. that will be great help to pakistan that writing these comments


      • Why should not a Pakistani forum discuss India’s failures? We have freedom of expression and we can publish anything about anything we want. The purpose of this blog is to make Pakistanis aware of the critical time Pakistan is going through. These news items tell us the real strength/weaknesses of our enemies. It has also informed us of the big game of Pakistan’s balkanization. You guys need to grow up and take criticism positively for criticism makes one grow.

        Zaid Hamid is talking about Khilafat, Ghazwa-e-Hind, Muslim brotherhood. What is wrong with that? When Europe can form a European Union, why can’t Muslims form such blocks? Specially, when Muslims are heavily exploited by the West. India can “look to the East” for business but when Pakistan makes Gwadar port every effort is made to destroy that project. With neighbors like this who can think of progress. I see a lot of benefit in this for Muslims. Muslims will be able to pool up their resources for mutual cooperation in all sphere.

        Pakistan’s “official” government is actually a PLANTED government NOT representing Pakistani majority. Heavy manipulations were made to make Musharraf not win the elections. So, anything “official” coming out of this extremely corrupt Pakistani government is really the US/India mantra. Indians never gave us concrete proofs. A Pakistani’s “confession” in Indian jail under Indian custody will always remain questionable. Since they DIDN’T allow Pakistan to investigate her own citizen.

        India has NEVER accepted Pakistan. The empty words don’t mean anything. It is the actions that count. historically, we have ONLY found India to be hurting Pakistan one way or the other. Our people were so innocent to think that we could ever have friendship with India.


  14. @ Ayaz

    Its not your fault…. and you should only worry about ur bank job and pleasing your american MASTERS .

    Honestly, Allah (swt) says in the quran that “Whomsoever i guide shall never be misguided, and whomsoever i shall not guide can never be guided”. But then just like khilafat rashida and iqbal these words mut be “words of the past for you”, so dont worry at all. Just obey your Masters and become a good SUBJECT πŸ˜€

    We pakistanis dont need IBM to open in our cities because we already have BLACKWATER and other such WONDERFUL companies …we dont want to compound our economic growth by bringing in more such CORPORATES …LOL LOL :d

    Zaid Hamid’s lectures are bringing a revolution which is evident to the naked eye and this forum is an example – but again, BLIND people are execused although they comment on the same forum …lol lol πŸ˜€

    Oh and as far as the growth goes, before the start of the economic crisis pakistan was averaging between 5 – 6% growth, and this was without IBM and other such corporates. But then again this is no sense of achievment for you as it does not appeal to your “America is my Master” mentality. Because again during an economic crisis america’s GDP can decline but the standard set for pakistan by people like you almost want to make pakistan follow the reverse laws of economics and sometimes even nature to reach up to your slavish mentality even when the whole world is in recession πŸ˜€

    I know none of my words will make any sense to you, but maybe a facewash in a toilet bowl will …lol lol lol

    Give that a shot …” I’m curious to know the answer “….HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :d :d


    • hahahha … another slap on india … hope this time they can feel it …


    • Mr. Babur..
      I am Pakistani American .. I am proud american but my roots are Paksitani.. there is no confusion and ABCD here ..
      “Zaid Hamid’s lectures are bringing a revolution which is evident to the naked eye and this forum is an example – but again, BLIND people are execused although they comment on the same forum ” .. can you explain me what revolution it made in pakistan .. and how as a youth graduatiing from LUMS or NED has benefitted out of it ? .. I watched all his videos and they are good .. but in one video ( Pakistan ek ishq aur Junoon).. a boy asked .. when I graduate my first question is of jobs and economy .. ZH responded him.. “Bacche bhooka sona pade to bhi rone ka nahi .. jobs and all are not imp .. honour & dignitiy is imp..my quesiton is how we achieve honour & dignity .. and Till what time our youth need to sleep “bhhoka and eat grass”.. every question asked .. is responded with same answer .. why don’t people read Irfan hussain or Nadeem F paracha .. they talk today’s problem ..
      “But then again this is no sense of achievment for you as it does not appeal to your β€œAmerica is my Master” mentality. Because again during an economic crisis america’s GDP can decline but the standard set for pakistan by people like you almost want to make pakistan follow the reverse laws of economics and sometimes even nature to reach up to your slavish mentality even when the whole world is in recession”.. I am not setting any standard for Pakistani .. I am just saying lets discuss our own growth and achievemetns rather than somebody else’s failures .. What slavish mentality is here .. I am proud american.. its my country and My roots are pakistani.. You or anyone else has not purchased rights of deciding who is real pakistani or not or who is real patriot or not or who is Real muslim or not ..


      • @ Ayaz

        hahahahahahahahahaha

        Let me recover laughing from your dime store drivel…. πŸ˜€

        Very amusing indeed. Buddy, the problem with people like you is that when sense is brought to you in words – you call it nonsense !

        When Zaid Hamid says we need honour first he is absolutely correct !.

        Our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) used to be hungry for days but he never sacrificed his honour. WE FOLLOW HIS EXAMPLE !

        If you are an HONOURABLE NATION then you can create JOBS, ECONOMY, WEALTH and everything. Pakistan has everything, it just doesnt get distributed evenly because of CORRUPTION !

        Am i getting through to your thick headed logic which is blinded by a short term success now on a big way to hell in the US ?

        And i can understand an idiot like you, who can call zaid hamids program and ask for jobs. Why dont they question the democratic government ??- Theyre doing what the US wants them to – then why arent the jobs coming ? !

        Guys from NED and Lums are getting jobs and IM one of them ! πŸ˜€ – The problem is a 5 dollar an hour corpse cleanser like you thinks that every pakistani is a beggar just because u landed in the states πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ ….lol lol

        Buddy, let me remind u ” Shit does stink in the US and so does yours” ….hahahahahahahahahahahahahaah

        Oh and paracha and the other traitors you mentioned who have no grasp on history or vision maybe a good pass time for people like you but not us.

        Our mission is to create Khilafat e Rashida and we will Do that INSHALLAH ! πŸ˜€

        YOUR unfortunateness is you can be a proud whatever and on the Wrong Side of History !

        Good Luck ! πŸ˜€


      • Why don’t you say the same to India? Tell her to mind her own problems. Stop destroying Pakistan by supporting insurgencies and terrorism. We will fix our problems and leave India alone.


  15. Sir, what kind of article is this one. The figures of who is the greatest receptor of US foreign aid are awfully wrong:

    1) Source: CRS Report RL33222: U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel, updated Jan. 2, 2008. Summary page: “Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. From 1976-2004, Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, having recently been supplanted by Iraq. Since 1985, the United States has
    provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel”.

    2) Source: CRS Report RL33222: U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel, updated Jan. 2, 2008, plus the FY ’08 omnibus appropriations bill, H.R. 2764.

    TABLE 1: Direct U.S. Aid to Israel (millions of dollars):

    This estimate of total U.S. direct aid to Israel updates the estimate given in the July 2006 issue of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs. It is an estimate because arriving at an exact figure is not possible, since parts of U.S. aid to Israel are a) buried in the budgets of various U.S. agencies, mostly that of the Defense Department (DOD), or b) in a form not easily quantifiable, such as the early disbursement of aid, giving Israel a direct benefit in interest income and the U.S. Treasury a corresponding loss. Given these caveats, our current estimate of cumulative total direct aid to Israel is $113.8554 billion.


  16. I have always been fond of the fighting spirit of Pakistanis.Even with the pen,they give a tough fight.
    Asher has been prolific and Emperor Baber after all is king of kings.

    RAM(Ayaz) and SHYAM(Shabbir)literally kept them on their toes.Thank you RAM & SHYAM,sorry Ayaz & Shabbir

    This type of healthy discussions should continue.Both sides defended themselves well.


    • WOW I bet AYAZ should be proud as hes referred to as RAM by our friend here…
      Cheers Ayaz! You made quite an impression! Congrats!


  17. Pitty you.


  18. o my god, this the future power! hahahh! THE GREAT GANDOOSTAN


  19. Baur the emperror nice name ..
    You were saying “US has external debts more than Its forex reseves which is similar situation in pakistan so whats the issue”.. I am saying . .”we have to worry about our low Forex reserves and higher external debts simply because we will not get more loans unless we show substantial reserves to back those loans.. Simply put .. Saudi Arabia will not give you oil agianst Pakistani Rs but it will give oil agianst USD .. so you should have more & more USD in reserves .. Saudi Arabia will give oil to US agianst its Tresury securities even if US is printing more and more money and creating more deficit .. China has $2trillion of USD forex reserve this enables them to fund their massive infrasture projects without borrowing any money from external sources and also without devaluing more money..
    in 2008 Pakistani Rs was trading 60 against USD now it is 84.. agian bec we do not have Dollars inflow & SBP cannot supply huge Dollars to sustain Dollar demand without devaluing currency..
    NO thanks for your offer coming back .. I am safe in Europe and I would not like to get blow up like some unfortunates in Rawalpindi or Pershawar..


    • @ Shabbir

      Are you a chicken hunter ?..Man are you dumb and blind ?

      Answer my question first ….How are foreign exchange reserves connected to External Debt ? πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

      Hey guys …listen to this illiterate coming up here and trying to sound educated.

      By the way shabbir’s wife told me he flunked high school and now flips burgers at mcdonalds …hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

      yes shabbir can you explain to us your macroeconomic theory ?…. πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

      hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

      We have a specimen lunatic type here πŸ˜€


    • @ shabbir

      No one wants the dollar or YOU in pakistan because both are a declining commodities πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

      hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

      All the reserves you talk about are paper based, Pakistan has real wealth like cash crops, cattle, dair products, diamond mines and so on and so forth.

      Keep your dollars to yourseld and use it as Toilet Paper and wipe your Masters Ass out there ..okay ….lol hahahahahahahahahah

      We know you clean toilets up there πŸ˜€ …lol lol


      • Oh really .. then why blasts are happening in Pindi . if its paper piesce then why Our Presidents and PM is after the Dollar aid .. why they are convincing people how necessary this aid is .. Stomac cannot be filled with Words .. you are shouting this because you are getting two meals a day ask in rural pakistan or Slums in karachi how tough is the life for poor peole naturally your relative need not to die out of heat in the line of sudsidized wheat or not to die in stampade in karachi for wheat .. do not make non-sense argumentd and learn to listen to other opinions with dignified language ..


  20. Mu-salman-Khan..
    I am indian muslim and I graduated from IIT Chennai… If you really Indian.. who are stopping you to join Indian Civil services through UPSC or state public commission .. My real brother is In Indian customs in Mumbai joined through UPSC…My real uncle is in Indian railways as Divisoon manager position agian joined through Indian Engineering services… ha probably you have graduated from UP’s madarsaah and expect to consider you as graduate and give govt job or army job.. no it will not happen that way.. if you take mainstream education UPSC doors are open .. In my final interview list there are 23 muslims out of 200 final shortlisted ..
    Regarding AMU ( aligarh muslim university) .. I who brought up in bombay .. never in my family me or my brother tried to join AMU when there are number of universities in my state ..You can go to any university why you want to go to AMU.. agian .. Madarsaah education will not help to get into AMU or any University .. Actully Muslims in Southren states of India had realized the importance of mainstream education early and taking advantage of it .. In 2008 Maharashatra’s HSC topper of the state is Muslim girl from Nagpur (the muslim girl stood first in entire state).. so do you mean she will be denied admission in IIT .. I don’t think so..
    Many of my friends are Brahmins and I had ate at their homes too many times and they also did at my place especailly during our collective preparations for IIT … nobody blocked my IIT aspirations and the professor who taught me was also brahmin..I made through it ..so rather than crying like looser .. get into mainstream education than madarsaah
    Rest is on your judgement & feelings .. but you are free to go to Pakistan or Middle east if you see mainstream education or getting admission in Uni as problem for you ..


  21. Mu-salman-Khan..
    I am indian muslim and I graduated from IIT Chennai… If you really Indian.. who are stopping you to join Indian Civil services through UPSC or state public commission .. My real brother is In Indian customs in Mumbai joined through UPSC…My real uncle is in Indian railways as Divisoon manager position agian joined through Indian Engineering services… ha probably you have graduated from UP’s madarsaah and expect to consider you as graduate and give govt job or army job.. no it will not happen that way.. if you take mainstream education UPSC doors are open .. In my final interview list there are 23 muslims out of 200 final shortlisted ..
    Regarding AMU ( aligarh muslim university) .. I who brought up in bombay .. never in my family me or my brother tried to join AMU when there are number of universities in my state ..You can go to any university why you want to go to AMU.. agian .. Madarsaah education will not help to get into AMU or any University .. Actully Muslims in Southren states of India had realized the importance of mainstream education early and taking advantage of it .. In 2008 Maharashatra’s HSC topper of the state is Muslim girl from Nagpur (the muslim girl stood first in entire state).. so do you mean she will be denied admission in IIT .. I don’t think so..
    Many of my friends are Brahmins and I had ate at their homes too many times and they also did at my place especailly during our collective preparations for IIT … nobody blocked my IIT aspirations and the professor who taught me was also brahmin..I made through it ..so rather than crying like looser .. get into mainstream education than madarsaah
    Rest is on your judgement & feelings .. but you are free to go to Pakistan or Middle east if you see mainstream education or getting admission in Uni as problem for you ..


    • There is a group of elite Muslims in India who have not suffered the usual discrimination and hatred by a bigoted Hindu majority. It is too bad for them since they only hangout with their kinds so reality is far from them. I happen to meet Indians from different strata of Indian socieities and they all give different pictures. Some feel satisfied and some feel that hatred, bias, etc against Muslims. I see that bias in your movies, talk shows etc. How Abhijeet and others were openly insulting Adnan Sami who is now an Indian. Even Jagjeet Sing, who is so admired in Pakistan, went on to say that Adnan Sami is not a good singer. The very Adnan Sami has been awarded the title of world’s fastest keyboard player. There were other Indian cheapskates who openly insulted Pakistani artists like Atif Aslam. They were all jealous of Muslims making big in India. Amitabh, Lata, Asha are well-known for their bias against Muslims. Look at Amitabh, he thinks he is God. By doing some cheap bollywood roles, he feels that he is in the same league as Marlon Brando, Dustin Hoffman, Tom Cruise etc. Even Leonardo DiCaprio permforms much better than this arrogant Jerk. Amitabh heavily dislikes Shah Rukh Khan for one simple reason: Shah Rukh Khan STOLE limelight from him and replaced him as the number One Indian hero. These are just the examples from the media. Ordinary Muslims face hardships on daily basis. There is this Indian journalist who bought this apartment in this apartment complex where there is only one Muslim resident and that too is his wife. There is this trajic story of this poor Muslim Bombay resident whose father was arrested by Police on false charges. Being the only bread winner, his young mother and sister had to sell their bodies to the police. That went on for years with the full knowledge of this 13 year old but hidden from the father until the boy ask the father to move out of that mohallah. The story was posted here at PKKH. It put tears to my eyes.

      It is just that complacency has made Indian Muslims accept the status quo. That does not mean that discrimination against Muslims does not exist in India.


      • Are you a joker and making comments without sense.. I know bollywood and I am great fan of it .
        Amitabh has no bias towards anyone .. he is having special class in bollywood similarly SRK. SRK is respected by youngsters whereas Amitabh’s admirars comes from middle age..
        MOhhamd Rafi the legand singer of bollywood is much prasied by Asha and lata mangeshkar.. Mohmmad rafi won many awards for his singing..
        Madhu bala ( who is muslim) made career in Bollywood
        Nargis, Wahida Rehman were having great success
        Ustad Bismillah khan. the legend “Shahnai” player .. came to pakistan in 1947.. what pakistan gave to him.. nothing.. Nehru requested him to come back to India and he made great carrer there..
        Ustad Zakir hussain .. the legand Tabla player.. he made world dance on his tunes .. what Pakistan could have been for him.. nothing
        A.R Rehman .. entire Asia dances on his tunes .. who hated thenm..
        Amir khan’s relatives are in pakistan .. his family had option to go to pakistan .. had he gone .. he missed his great opprtunity ..
        Katrina Kaif .. a Hongkong born kashmiri muslim girl went from London to Mumbai and made career there..
        Atif Islam and even Ali Azmat .. they have made their carrer in India not pakistan.. Until Atif islam sang in “Race” and the other song “Tere bin” he was not known to the world.. I watched the viedo on youtube he was being interviwed in pakistan on some talk show ( I guess with Bushra khan) .. and he proudly said ha “Bombay ana jaana laga rehta hai kahi busy hoon mai” what makes him busy its indian bollywood.. Ali azmat sang song “Ghan ghan” in some mahesh bhatt flim and he is always expresses grateful ness to pooja bhatt , mahesh bhatt.
        Now Abhijeet.. did you noticed Abhijeet insulted Atif .. no indians had cared for it .. they still love song in “Race” and after that insult .. Atif still participated with his band on “Star Plus” show..
        For all your comments I will only say..”half knowledge is dangerous” abnd please donm’t talk nonsense when you don’t know the things fully


      • @ Ayaz, Both Ali Azmat @ Atif were well known before they went India, Ali Azmat has been singing with Junoon long before you were born. Get your facts right TEP!


  22. @ shabbir

    Blasts – Dont you know why they are happening ?? πŸ˜€

    Let me explain πŸ˜€ ..because i think you have forgotten yourself after going to Europe…the toilets there suck and cleaning them alot can cause such issues.

    In pakistan when we are happy we celebrate it with fireworks and explosive fireworks sometimes, but because we pakistanis are moderate people so we keep it under control. Now, America is in the neighbourhood and they are known to PARTY HARD. πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

    So these Blasts in Rawalpindi and Lahore and elsewhere are their gifts to us πŸ˜€ … πŸ˜€

    When they are very happy with us they increase the intensity of the blast…lol lol lol πŸ˜€

    But their is a limit to having fun and that limit has reached it limit. The average person is worried about food, welfare and health like anywhere else in the world. But why are you worried about slums in karachi ?.. your in europe – STAY THERE !

    When ur visa runs out or ur european wife kicks you out go somewhere else ..dont come up here πŸ˜€ ..lol

    And this aid u talk about is going to the people who americans friends have appointed. We the common people of pakistan dont get SHIT and we dont give a damn about AID.

    Now get lost !

    This still is not any answer to how External DEBT = Foreign Exchange Resserves πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

    Why dont u answer this question of mine ?????

    πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€


    • My friend ..I have explained why the reserves are imp for country like pakistan and the resevers will only built through economic gowth ( same like Mr. Ayaz is saying).. again your above comment is full of Words & disgusting the point .. You say the average person is worried about food, water , welfare etc.. that is what my point is We should worry about these problems pakistanis are facing .. & not about how these problems are facing by Indians and feel happy about it .. get some posts on economic situation in pakistan and how we can change it .. in what sector we can grow the most and how we should change our economic policies about achieving the growth or help to reduces the Wheat price etc. that will benefit Aam pakistanis .. not “khilafat-e-rashida” or “huzur shah waali sallam” etc.. these is the past and we need to see future ..

      Allah Hafiz..


      • @ shabbir

        According to u the Quran is also OLD right ?….you need to something new for the future too dont u ?

        πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€


      • @ shabbir

        by the way, u still havent answered to me about ur stupid foreign exchange comparison to External debt ?

        Give me an answer man …how dumb are u ?


  23. In my opinion ZH is preahing hate in his lectures and cover up the terrorisum with some consipracy theories which has no meaning at all.. In my opinion ZH lectures has good words and you feel talll for 2 hours but then ultimately it leads to onwhere ..
    also who are you to decide NFP is traitor ? on what basis you will be deciding this ? any basis .. just becuase he speaks agianst the Islamicisation of Pakistan or speaks for democracy makes him traitor ..? why ? . how ? there are many people who writes the same subject .. for e.g Thenews editior Ayaz Amir .. read his articles in http://www.thenews.com.pk.. he also talks about same what NFP or irfan hussain says .. so he is also traitor ..? the who is clean ? Its very easy to say others traitor and infidel especially in Pakistan ..


    • @ Ayaz

      Are u jobless in the US man ?..you seem to be sitting up here with nothing better to do ?

      I have serious doubts about ur bank job which seems more like a job in the after hours of the bank scrubbing and cleaning …lol lol lol

      If thats not the case then you must be pulling alnighters washing corpses ..Ive heard the funeral science business is really great ?….

      Mind giving us an insight on how u clean a dead mans Ass ?ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

      Oh and one more thing if you dont like Zaid Hamid ..use a remote and switch ur channel – I can asure u …we wont miss u a bit.

      Happy ass-washing – !! πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ lol lol


      • you do not worry about my job .. you worry for yourself .rather than posting comments here why don’t you go and help Pindi bomb blast victims or Peshawar victims .. that will be real servce towards pakistan that to post comments here in your usual disgusting way .. why don’t you go to UN office and register as aid worker. but you will not do that . you want big words which ZH is good at giving .. the outcome is zero.. do some meningful work besides using big hollow words ..


      • @ Ayaz

        Dude, you are a dumbass arent you ?

        You urself are washing asses and toilets in the US and you have the balls to tell me to do aid work ?

        What do you think I have been doing ?

        Im not the professing america up here, its idiots like you !

        When you cant compete in logic then words appear hollow to you ?

        Go Back to your 5 dollar an hour toilet cleaning job – Cuz thats where you belong !

        We pakistanis in pakistan know very well about what to do with our population .

        And listen, when you cant be of any help yourself your not in any position of telling others !

        Now get back to your ass wipping job ..you american master is waiting for you πŸ˜€

        lol lol :d πŸ˜€


  24. @Asher

    I am concerned only with pakistan .. I am really not understanding what is the purpose of publishing article which talks about india whether good or bad I don’t care .. The indians are not posting any articles here .. so where they are posting I am commenting on it .. for e.g. hindustantimes.com/blogs, ibnlive.com/blogs or Businessweek/india blogs or 6ampacific.com are some of the few..& you can post too.. agian and agian you are stressing the same point .. but why we are so obsessed with them… why can’t we just keep our existance without any topic related to them and keep focusing/discussing about pakistan & its achievement/problem irrespective of neighbours ..


    • that will not happen because pakistanis are taught to be obsessed with india.

      http://www.sdpi.org/archive/nayyar_report.htm

      yay lucky us 😦


      • @ sal

        Did ur father give u a day of from ur abusive childhood that you come up here to tell us of your menstrual cycles ???….lol lol lol

        Literally, like a dog on his free time in the park, u come up here to utter rubbish in a hurry without making any sense, as if a pakistani is waiting right behind u – to do justice to ur kind …lol lol

        Kindly tell us when are u marrying ur wife off to a frog ?

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/4290761/Seven-year-old-Indian-girls-marry-frogs.html

        mind explaining this obsession of ur nation ??? πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€


      • @ Emperor.Babur
        so had enough camel cum:D? now can we talk sense? or did the camel spank u too much bcos u r a naughty girl:D?

        just bcos u r a camel lover does not mean everyone in pak is one right? similarly just bcos some tamilians did some bull**** does not mean the rest also follows. do u understand what i m saying or has the camel cum loosened ur brain:D?


    • The simple answer is: We feel like posting such articles. I don’t care what other bloggers post.

      If you don’t like this, you don’t have to visit PKKH. As simple as that.


  25. u pakis get a perverted high seeng india poor huh?
    get a life pervs


  26. besides pakistan is so crapped up that even india must give aid to prevent its collapse

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4381982.stm


    • @ sal

      hahahahahahahahahaha

      First why dont u people feed something better than rats to ur poor and return the 55 billion in aid u took πŸ˜€

      Wat a joker – Dont worry we will be giving u aid pretty soon, because we are not eating rats up here :D…lol lol

      http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2008/08/18/55065.html


      • @ Emperor.Babur

        we r eating rats 4 survival. u r drinking camel cum 4 survival na? πŸ˜€

        bottomline: Pak can never catch up to india in any way except in ur wet dreams (when u r not dreaming about the camel):D


      • @sal

        Let’s see some stuff about India –

        -poverty worst in the world
        -aids rate HIGH
        -girls selling virginity to complete education
        -Population exploding
        -every minority including low caste Hindus subjected to torture
        -Every military equipment made is a failure
        -40% child marriages of the world in India
        – One of the highest rate of Child mortality
        – Highest rate of female foeticide
        etc etc

        With this kind of a record I’m sure we can’t and neither do we want to catch up with India!


  27. this article “Foreign Aid and India: Financing the Leviathan State” was written in 92, when india did not start it economic bulldozer how cheap can u pakis get?


    • @ sal

      Yes but india disintegrating is a 2009 phenomenon πŸ˜€

      save ur house first because u already have 150 million pakistanis living there and 150 million more are coming for you πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€


      • Sure. India will disintegrate the day pakistan becomes a hindu state πŸ˜€


    • But not as cheap as you sal. This is just an article.

      You actually nurtured separatist insurgency in East Pakistan, crossed an international border, attacked Pakistan and broke it.

      I thought you can not go any lower than that but you keep defying me!!


      • mE ? I divideed pakistan? what r u saying


  28. @ sal

    lol lol lol

    And what do u have to say about the disintegration of india ?

    http://www.stratfor.com/memberships/29712/india_escalating_naxalite_threat


  29. @ everyone

    Hey guys

    Check this out …India will be disintegrating in 2011 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.stratfor.com/memberships/29712/india_escalating_naxalite_threat

    πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€


    • @everyone
      check this out. Pakistan is the next superpower

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4964934.stm


      • @ sal

        Is there a reason ur pulling articles from 2006 ?

        India was lower on the failed state scale that year ..

        go back to high school…lol


      • @ Emperor.Babur

        LOLZZZ. :D:D

        stop crying emp.burbur.
        :D:D


  30. Salam aalekum Babur saab..
    this disintegration of India prediction is not new to us Indians.. we are used to listening this since 1947 (Independence) till mainly 1997 ( 50th independence) & after some time here & there we are keep listening this .. In fact we are grew up listening this predictions .. the only difference is till 1997-2000 It was western world it journalists & magzines were busy hoping disintegration of India and now pakistani people predicting the same but nothnig new for us in this prediction ..
    After every communal riots ( babri/Gujrat etc.) western world predicted, now muslims will migrate to pakistan and India will declare itself hindu state & eventully break away .. After every political assasination (indira gandhi, Rajiv gandhi), world predicted now India will not have any leader and military will take over and this democratic experiment of india will be wind up… After every natural disaster ( earth quake, floods) it was predicted now famine will leads into Food riots and country will break away .. but eventually western world accepted they were prooved wrong and agian they credited to the deep roots of democracy..All these predictions are made mainly in 1952, 1967, 1978, & 1984 mainly where there was really situation when India was actully in a real danger of braking.. now its not western world but some others are predicting the same thing. however let time tells this .. you will be here in 2011 and We also will be here 2011 and lets see.. leave this on time .. we will see in 2011..

    Khuda hafiz..


    • “Deep roots of Democracy” and that too in India? LOL. It is a joke of the century. A country where minorities don’t have rights to even live let alone look for a job or other necessities, you are singing “democracy”. Man, this slogan doesn’t suit you. It looks good on people who actually have a WORKING democracy, say like US.

      It may be not 2011 but India’s disintegration will happen sooner than you imagined. The world is already sensing a major world event in 2012.

      Let’s wait and see.


    • @ Irfan

      You know, i pity some people for being on the wrong side of history. How amazing is it to forget about the realities of life in India for the muslim majority if your not facing those problems.

      This is common in lets say 1% of the muslims down there who perhaps dont face these issues or atleast PRETEND they dont exist through denial !.

      IN a country where known actors like shabana azmi, imran hashmi and countless others regularly face discrimination from buying something as basic as a house to jobs and everything else, it really leaves a sour taste in the mouth to hear rants about half patriotism from Indian Muslims such as yourself !

      I mean what havent you people done to fit in ?.. Married your daughters, changed ur names but seriously did u get what you really deserved ??

      Your kind is still slaughtered in guujrat, kashmir and several other places in your beloved homeland.

      And as far as famine, drought, terror all this goes then buddy Pakistan has beared all of this brunt too and we are standing too – so their is nothing marvelous about you in that either.

      I must say that i fail to see the rationale in your post !

      Allah Hafiz !


      • PKKH auditors .. you are allowing Pakistani comments here but allow my Indian comment especially muslim comment here
        Wah Babur Wah.. Today you are calling for support or giving azan like imam for all muslims to come together.. for what .. Pakistan… great.. I am from bangladesh and my grandfather was serving in E.Pakistan Bengal regiment .. he & his brother both were killed by fellow officers of your punjabi army precisely on June 26 1971..Can you imagine. Army officers killing their own brothers who stood by them in Vision of Pakistan back in 1947..where were “Ummah” that time Oh yes. you will call agian that was Indian game but no this was much before Indians came into picture and this was story of every bangladeshi homes..TOday at this junture history is taking another turn ..in 1971 you were killing your own muslim brothers and E.pakistan broke.. today Your pushtoon brothers from Afganistan are blowing you out in streets of peshawar, Rawalpindi .. lets leave it to allah what will break ..


      • Babur saab.. do not teach islam to us.. you think only pakistani & Pakistan are last hope of islam in the world..good dilusion..Just go to any middle east city with your Pakistani passport and have fun..Your dream of self-proclaimed Islamic heros will be shattered on Riyadh Airtport itself .. What you think Shaban Azmi or irfan hasmi are staying on roads .. Shaban azmi is staying in worli. one of the costliest & cleanest locality in south mumbai.. & lets assume they are staying on roads so how pakistna will help her..I don’t want to escalate rhetoric .. as I said earlier. we are used to this kind of predictions and we grew up listening to these predictions so lets wait for any year. 2011,12,15,20 .. and leave to Allah … you may be knowing allah is not giving all its wealth to any country in particular .. as there are no countries in front of him…. so we all can see in these years what happens..
        Oh Yes. you do not have any right to say about Gujrat when you are declaring “ahmedia” as non muslim. you don’ have any right to say about Gujrat when you butchered Belhavi in the hands of deobandis in pakistan.. and also I would not like to comment on Sectarian violence between Shia & sunnis in Pakistan..


      • @ Irfan

        Its good that you have identified who you are, because this way i know how to address you appropriately.

        Im not going to argue with you on which version of the history you would believe in, neither am i going to tell you of the breakdown of the Pakistani Army which represents pakistan according to the breakdown of the nation.

        America has 80 % whites and 20% blacks – Can they now have a Black Man’s Army ? – NO !

        So the argument of punjabi, mohajjir , pashtoon or whatever remains to ur imagination.

        Secondly, if we have brothers amongst us who decide to part with the enemy then they become TRAITORS – And to kill a TRAITOR IS AN ORDER FROM ALLAH –

        The unfortunate part is within the pakistan army you are only able to see punjabis – because you have a god gifted ability to be able to tell the race of a person!

        May god give such super powers to every human being ! πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ – Then we wont have any issues !

        Now, as far as the Ummah goes, brother pakistan in 1971 and prior to that was a new country and no one denies that mistakes weren’t commited !

        I mean ur punjabi brethren dont exactly have a european standard of living compared to even bangladesh. So this whole argument of punjab doing this and that is UTTER RUBBISH !

        Its the rulers who SCREWED all of us up ! – What has Bangladesh achieved by seperating ? – DID U GUYS BECOME A JAPAN or some other advanced country ??

        NO –

        And the UMMAH of the muslims had been ruling the world for 1400 years in the ottomon empire and the mughal empire if it weren’t for the foreigners.

        You know Irfan the problem with cry babies is that their have been countless people suffering in every part of the world but unlike you they dont come on to blame their sorrows on the latest victim they can find, which is ur example in coming up here and trying to settle some sort of an old score against pakistan !

        As far as Pashtoon goes, half of my family is pashtoon and we totally support wat the army does. The people attacking pakistan are not pushtuns, or punjabis or mohajjirs – They are again TRAITORS !

        A true muslim needs an Ideology not a country to identify with ! _ I have several bengali friends and we know that we are muslim first and then something else – Which makes us ALL Pakistanis ! – and if your muslim then even you πŸ™‚ – Although you may not agree ! …LOL

        So brother, the only thing that we can do now is exactly as you have said . I will be standing on the mimber and calling for prayers for my brethren to come and join me ..

        The question is : When will you be joining ? πŸ™‚

        Regards !


  31. HHHAAAHHHHHA, is the blog so incapable THAT IT HAS TO GO AND DIG ARTICLES published in 1992!!!!
    May 6, 1992 READERS GET it!!!

    So much has changed,by now!!!!

    NO NEED FOR THE REAMS OF COMMENTS ON A NON-ISSUE
    To the dreamers who wish India to break up soon.
    That was being DONE RIGHT AFTER 1947.India has seen far greater problems and darker days after 1947.Famine, bankruptcy, terrorism, communalism, regionalism.

    Yet India pulls on, flying in the face off the donnsday scenario guys(the guys who are the most fearful of a strong india).

    Waise to kuch hua nahi, so the poor chaps are reduced top predicting dates, 2011, 2012 20, 25 etc ect, ,by which India is to break up.

    HUNDREDS of such dates have gone by!!!!


    • @ Rjk

      Are you selling your wife ? πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€


    • @RJK,

      Your small mind can not decipher that this article is an analysis of “How much aid India got OVER A PERIOD OF TIME”. It is not what it is getting now. Rather about its past 60 years of performance. So ofcourse, the author will dig old articles. What a lame argument?


    • @rjk,

      It is India which wanted to destroy Pakistan and has been unable to do so.

      Pakistan is still surviving, thriving and will continue to do so. Now the nation of Pakistan is witnessing reawakening.

      You Hindus know very well what happens when Muslims reawake!!!


      • Asher miyan.. you need to worry .. as I told earlier in my comment .. “deep rooted democracy” is not my word but its from well known intellectual some of them are pakistanis like Mr. Ayaz Amir, Dr Isfaq Ahmed.. why we are having rhetoric here.. lets leave this upto Allah and lets pary to be witness of his game ..


      • HAHAHA Asher the IDIOT…

        How come EVERY PAKI here forgets that India broke and teared apart pakistan into 2 pieces and FORCED 100,000 of their ‘superior’ pak army to surrender and bend over before ‘inferior’ indian army of just 25,000.

        Go and cry Asher πŸ™‚ oooh wait a sec Hillary is INSULTING pak in ur own country but you cant do anything otherwize you would not get food the next day……

        πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚


      • @Ameet

        Looks like u forgot 1947 PARTITION…

        I think you didn’t watch Hilary’s interaction with media person and students at college…SHE WAS HUMILIATED BY EVERYONE and couldn’t even answer most of the stuff!

        Her visit to lahore was welcomed by protesters shouting slogans against her and the US.


  32. Guys,
    I would just say one thing – leave these policies of blaming each other and try to see beyond. I’m an Indian and many of my friends are Pakistanis and they appreciate the power of economic development. Here, I see many comments about India dis-integrating, India not progressing – wake up and see the reality objectively. Stop blaming India for your problems and try to generate economic development. India, China, Brazil and Russia are the next biggest economic powers – BRIC countries. If Pakistan also focusses totally on economic development it can be a power as well.
    India is growing big time though it has its problems like poverty which are vanishing fast. Now, there are a few incidents here and there and they can never be representative of the whole country. Even in US/UK some untoward incidents happen – and it does not mean the whole country is crap. Let me tackle your points of India not shining:

    1) 7 of the Fortune 500 companies(2009 list) are Indian – Indian Oil, HPCl, BPCL, Tata Steel, Reliance industries, ONGC, State Bank of India.
    Fortune 500 is the most trusted list of big companies in the world. Here is the link:
    http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2009/countries/India.html

    2) Ever heard of Jaguar, Land ROver cars and Corus steel etc. – they are part of Tata group now.

    3) Most of the IT outsourcing and product development is now shifting to India. See the forbes list for top IT companies . India’s 4 comapnies figure in that list – Infosys, TCS, Wipro, Cognizant. Even for other companies like IBM, Accenture and Cap-Gemini – their biggest workforce outside US is in India now. Every 1 in 5 employees in IBM is in India:
    http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=205230
    Also, see this IBM sees more than 50,000 employees in India:
    http://www.informationweek.com/news/global-cio/outsourcing/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=181502939

    Also, many of my classmats are working in India in Microsoft and Google in Bangalore/Hyderabad.

    4) Infrastructure – though a week point of india ,it has been picking up very fast. Delhi Metro is world class and London Mayor comented recently that it is better than London Metro. More Metros are being constructed right now in Bnagalore, Mumbai, Jaipur, Kolkata etc.
    http://risingcitizen.blogspot.com/2009/02/photo-gallery-of-delhi-metro-and-metro.html

    5) Now about ill-treatment of muslims. How could you even think of that in a country where the president Dr. Abdul Kalam was a Muslim, Prime-minister Dr. Manmohan Singh is a Sikh. Where else in the world would you find such thing? The highly respected and succesful actors in India are Shahrukh Khan and Aamir Khan, Salman Khan – again Muslims. Could they have all risen to such top and make millions of Rs. if they were ill-treated. Women are also given full freedom unlike other countries – e.g Sania Mirza in tennis.

    I could quote and give real facts and hundreds o examples. But, I would only say – look at economic development and stop blaming to improve the lot of people.


  33. @asher.
    so you are awake. .what you will do ? try to sneak into Indian cities and blow yourself up ? or try to get through LOC and may die from security forces bullet.. what you will do ? or force the govt to launch nuke on India ? or blow yourself in Amercan embassy of Islamabad or if you are in EU/America .. blow yourself in Metros of London,NY ..what you will do sir? I suggestt you blow uyourself up somewhere as I listed above you will get jannat.. please do that ..


    • @ Ashu

      What are u doing between that cows legs ??…lol
      First answer this question.


  34. @babur
    You are asking what we achieved by having bangadesh .. the same can be counter questioned by what you achieved by creating pakistan..rather what we bengalis achieved bt creating pakistan .. We got exploited by you people ..By creating banglades .. We achieved our identity .. Benngali is our identity and Islam is our ideology ..do not give me the 1400 years of ottoman empire and all. I am not pakistani self procalimedmuslim savior of the world who thinks islam came into existance in 1947.. I am not going to buy your ottoman empire .. simply becuase we bangladeshis are living in today’s world.
    Seperating from you .. we achieved our freedom otherwise we would have been dominated from islamabad.. the 1970s election we have won the election but your Bhutto & yayha simply refused to accept bengali pakistanis forming govt .. if this would have continued till today we would have been your colony..
    Another thing .. we have not become japan but today definitely our currenct (taka) has more value then your pakistani rupees. and Our Textile export sector zoomed past of yours.. Ofcourse we do not have modern fighter jets or Nuclear weapons .. but we don’t need them as we have to develop our economy with good relations with neighbours..
    you say “true muslim lives in ideology”… so woh are you pakistanis to decide who is true muslim and who is not .. We are bangladeshis and we are muslims we have no connection with Pakistani muslims only connection is you guys exploited us for 24 years and fortunately we broker from you ..
    If you come to bangladesh today in the month of december (Dec 16) .. we stil play a stage show of your surrender agianst India in our Daka Ramana stadium.. that much we cherish those memmories .. this Islamic doterine you give into your madarsaah..
    Of yes .. you are pushtoons but your pushtoon brothers are rules mainly punjabis in govt and army .. Pushtoons are demanding pukhtoonkhwa.. and right now .I am seeing Muslims ( Taliban) killing muslims in Pakistan in cities ( 190 deaths in October alone) .. Allah is on true side .. and Allah is teaching you harsh lessons ..


    • ATTENTION ALL. IRFAN, AYAZ AND RAFI ARE ALL ONE PERSON. THIS SUCKER IS JUST PRETENDING TO BE BANGLADESHI JUST TO MAKE BENGALIS LOOK BAD. HE WANTS TO DEMORALIZE US AND THATS WHY THIS SORRY PIECE OF SHIT WASTES HALF HIS DAY POSTING ON PKKH. SO LONG SUKCER! UR BUSTED! πŸ˜€


    • @ Irfan

      – WE kicked India’s Ass

      – Indigenous Nuclear Program

      – Muslim Worlds Super Power

      – Indigenous Balistic Missles program

      – We can destroy India’s industrial capability and other capabilities

      – Indigenous Fighter Jet Production Jf – 17

      – Indigenous Tank production

      – 7th largest army in the world

      and i can go on and on

      We are the DESTINED RULERS OF THE MUSLIM WORLD !

      WE ARE THE REVIVERS OF THE UMMAH !

      LONG LIVE PAKISTAN


  35. @ Irfan

    The Fact That Allah (SWT) has given US 160 million Muslims and the honour to be a Nuclear Power amongst all the Muslim countries gives US the right to be the speaker for the Muslim World!

    And by GOD we have done that. In the past we have helped the muslims BECAUSE the muslim countries asked us to help them.

    Now sometime u mention ur an indian on the other hand u mention ur a bengali. Whatever u are – if you want to follow any version of history do that !

    We pashtoons are Pakistan and we rule Pakistan our own way. Pashtunistan is Pakistan !

    Their are more pashtoons in Pakistan then their are in Afghanistan !

    Pukhtoonkhwa is a name proposed for a PROVINCE πŸ˜€ …lol lol – u sound more like an indian as opposed to a bengali !..lol

    You are Right Allah is on the right side which is why we became a nuclear power and which is why we are a military power too.

    The process has already begun..now wait and see How we conquer the World πŸ˜€


  36. I wonder what these lingum suckers, cow-piss drinkers, rat eaters(rajk,ashu,Irfan, Shabbir,Ayaz and their likes)are doing in this purely a Pakistani blog.

    They should be booted out.


  37. Pakistani’s pretend as if they are a paradise for minorities.

    HA, they do not care for their own, forget others.

    Pakistan has blashphemy laws and apostacy.
    They persecute Bohras, Ahemediyas, shia’s.What to talk about Hindu’s and christians.

    Christians are a tiny tiny minority in pakistan.Yet on pretence of blashphemy they are killed and their lands snatched.
    Gojra is just a recent case.

    In India, whatever the problems, STILL there is a hope for hearing.
    THe people have a vote.
    BJP was punished in the national elections for Gujarat.

    SO many rioters of Gujarat have been punished by the Indian supreme court.

    IN pakistan that hope itself is not there.


    • @ Raj – Kachra

      Were you sleeping when ur mother was telling u history ?

      You queer, incidents like Gojra, gujrat, babri mosque have not occured in pakistan but THEY HAVE occured in India !

      The Sikh’s GOLDEN TEMPLE was not desecrated in Pakistan – You 2 cent bastard point fingers at others when you have shuved a fist in ur own minorities rears – You hypocritically smelly shit nugget people should be the least to talk about minorities

      Here check this website http://www.dalitvoice.com

      Wat about ur hindu DALIT & SHUDR minority !- the 400 million people who are treated worse than animals while cunts like you are WORSHIPPING A PENIS ! (LINGUM)

      EVEN ANIMALS ARE BETTER THAN YOU :d

      oh and President Zardari is a Shia – :D…so much for ur dog bark of minorities not having rights !…lol


      • There is no such thing as a minority in pakistan.The hindus and christians are tiny tiny % and are thinly spread.They are not even in the position to say anything let alone fight the dominant muslim.Yet they face disciminations.Shia mosques are bombed and Muslim in India are minority only when seen as a % of Indian population, otherwise they are 160 million.The third largest in the world.Muslims are dominat in pockets and hence communal strife does take place.I have not climed India is truoble free, wht I POINT OUT IS the pretence of Pakistan being a tolerant nation.
        Babri and godhra are not hidden.It is the Indian courts which are punishing the rioters.Even Narendra modi is under investigation on orders of the supreme court.

        http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/gujarat_riots_witness_speaks_out.php

        Even a gujart minister was arrested

        http://in.reuters.com/article/topNews/idINIndia-38746520090327

        The point though is that the law can only go according top evedence and witness.
        Also one cannot forget that the train burning started the entire issue.
        It s in this india onlyy where people can still fight for justice and indian democracy gives them the space for it.
        Anybody who has actually harmed innocent does not escape, no matter how long it takes.

        You undertake lal masjid operations, the saudis have attacked mecca when the iranians demonstated there.Golden temple was in the hands of terrorist so action had to be taken.It was the terrorist who defiled the temple NOT the other way around .So do not preach to us.
        Attackers on christians have been punished.

        Dalits and shudras!!!
        just because yu live in the middle ages does not mean everbody else does.
        Casteism was and is a proble in India.BUT india is fast modernising.And unlike Zardari who are nominated by the yanks or the army, India actually elects dalit leader, Mayawat, CM of Indi’s biggest state, ex-president of India KR narayan, were all elected.


      • @rjk

        lol lol lol

        Are you an idiot ?..Minorities are miniscule ?…Buddy, Pakistan is 20% shia

        Are you now going back on your previous assertion that minorities are treated badly ?

        Yeah and what did u just bark up there that the hindu and christian minorities are not in a position of authority ???

        Here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rana_Bhagwandas

        This is a SLAP on your ROYAL face..:D πŸ˜€

        Justice BHagwandas is a HINDU and he is the former chief justice of pakistan – Here read this and go DRINK SOME COW PISS !

        We log cases against any person who commits a crime – does it take time to solve issues – Yes it does !..but we get them solved !..Unlike in India where narinder modi after massacring muslims is roaming around freely !

        This is your justice – not only have u set free a mass murderer but you have also put him in a position of authority.
        This BASTARD killed thousands and ALL YOUR DOING IS AN INVESTIGATION !!

        Lets see you have one of your loved one’s slaughtered and then see how u feel when u have to wait years for a stupid inquiry !

        Indian democracy is as farcical as its leaders…100’s of millions are suffering

        Dalits and shudrs are happy with your democracy ?…This is the biggest JOKE πŸ˜€ :D…Then why are dalit delegations coming to Pakistan for Justice ?

        Here read : http://www.dalitvoice.org/Templates/may_a2009/articles.htm

        Any ethnic violence that occurs here is because of indian RAW agents bent on causing terrorism in pakistan – you need to put those DOGs on a leash first ! πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

        Having a corrupt DALIT as a token is good, lets see you give them some real power, why dont u elect a dalit as a PRIME MINISTER :D.. we have dont it with Zardari the shia !

        Please get upto the level of justice we have in Pakistan :D.. Even when we are down, we are light years ahead of you :d


    • @Rajk

      As soon as everyone heard about the Gojra incident the ministers went to that area and ordered strict action against culprits, there case is running in court!

      The problem is the misuse of blasphemy law and even Muslims have been killed because of that!

      Where were Indian ministers when nuns were being raped and burnt alive in Assam??? Where were ministers when Muslims were being burnt?? Oops sorry the minister was involved in that!

      Hell yeah…I can see hope in India for minorities where the culprit is still sitting as a minister of Gujarat!


      • Indian Swine Narinder Modi is still reoaming free. so much for the so called justice to minorities in India…


      • @rjk

        lol lol lol

        Are you an idiot ?..Minorities are miniscule ?…Buddy, Pakistan is 20% shia

        Are you now going back on your previous assertion that minorities are treated badly ?

        Yeah and what did u just bark up there that the hindu and christian minorities are not in a position of authority ???

        Here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rana_Bhagwandas

        This is a SLAP on your ROYAL face..:D

        Justice BHagwandas is a HINDU and he is the former chief justice of pakistan – Here read this and go DRINK SOME COW PISS !

        We log cases against any person who commits a crime – does it take time to solve issues – Yes it does !..but we get them solved !..Unlike in India where narinder modi after massacring muslims is roaming around freely !

        This is your justice – not only have u set free a mass murderer but you have also put him in a position of authority.
        This BASTARD killed thousands and ALL YOUR DOING IS AN INVESTIGATION !!

        Lets see you have one of your loved one’s slaughtered and then see how u feel when u have to wait years for a stupid inquiry !

        Indian democracy is as farcical as its leaders…100’s of millions are suffering

        Dalits and shudrs are happy with your democracy ?…This is the biggest JOKE …Then why are dalit delegations coming to Pakistan for Justice ?

        Here read : http://www.dalitvoice.org/Templates/may_a2009/articles.htm

        Any ethnic violence that occurs here is because of indian RAW agents bent on causing terrorism in pakistan – you need to put those DOGs on a leash first !

        Having a corrupt DALIT as a token is good, lets see you give them some real power, why dont u elect a dalit as a PRIME MINISTER .. we have dont it with Zardari the shia !

        Please get upto the level of justice we have in Pakistan .. Even when we are down, we are light years ahead of you :d


  38. to all paakkis,
    INDIA IS NOW IN TOP TEN COUNTRIES WITH GOLD RESERVE. CHECK ON GOOGLE KAMINEYO


  39. OUR GRAT HINDUSTAN BOUGHT 200 TONNES OF GOLD AT AN AVERAGE PRICE OF 10,045 PER OUNCE FROM IMF THE SAME IMF WHO REFUSE PAKISTAN TO GIVE LOAN.
    SLAP TO THOSE PAKIS WHO WERE SAYING THAT INDIA IS ON AID.
    CHAKK DE INDIA


    • @ singh

      Teray 12 wajay nay ki nai!!!


    • Great! use it for your Golden Temple then!


  40. sardar kay 12 baj gaye !


  41. @rajk

    You and other Hindu fellows are always talking about Shias and Iran.We in Pakistan know what conspiracies you make.We,Shias and Sunnis,Barelwi and Deobandis are one.

    It is you who try to pitch one against another as you are afraid of Muslim Unity in ,at least India.You have no love lost for Shias and Barelwis.

    In Shahnawaz and Mukhtar Naqvi,Shabana and her husband,you have dogs dancing to your tune.

    Shahnawaz once conspired to land one Indian plane at Karachi,then at Lahore,but failed.

    Your mentor,Chanakia said that Hindus should always conspire,otherwise take a Ban Baas.Your Nehru used to write articles with the pen name “Chanakia”



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