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Capital Suggestion – And A Reader’s Response

October 17, 2009

We all know pseudo-intellectual Pakistanis who point towards India’s exaggerated economic growth of the last few years with deliberate half sightedness and suggest Pakistan should follow India’s lead in its affairs. Dr. Farrukh Saleem is one such defeatist. Luckily, these idiots are in minority. Here we print an article by Dr. Farrukh Saleem, alongwith a Pakistani’s eye-opening response that follows the article.


Capital Suggestion

source: http://sheiklovesfun.rediffiland.com/blogs/2008/06/04/Here-s-what-is-happening-in-India.html

By Dr Farrukh Saleem

Here’s what is happening in India:

The two Ambani brothers can buy 100 percent of every company listed on the Karachi Stock Exchange (KSE) and would still be left with $30 billion to spare. The four richest Indians can buy up all goods and services produced over a year by 169 million Pakistanis and still be left with $60 billion to spare. The four richest Indians are now richer than the forty richest Chinese.

In November, Bombay Stock Exchange’s benchmark Sensex flirted with 20,000 points. As a consequence, Mukesh Ambani’s Reliance Industries became a $100 billion company (the entire KSE is capitalized at $65 billion). Mukesh owns 48 percent of Reliance.

In November, comes Neeta’s birthday. Neeta turned f orty-four three weeks ago. Look what she got from her husband as her birthday present: A sixty-million dollar jet with a custom fitted master bedroom, bathroom with mood lighting, a sky bar, entertainment cabins, satellite television, wireless communication and a separate cabin with game consoles. Neeta is Mukesh Ambani’s wife, and Mukesh is not India’s richest but t he second richest.

Mukesh is now building his new home, Residence Antillia (after a mythical, phantom island somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean). At a cost of $1 billion this would be the most expensive home on the face of the planet. At 173 meters tall Mukesh’s new family residence, for a family of six, will be the equivalent of a 60-storeyed building. The first six floors are reserved for parking. The seventh floor is for car servicing and maintenance. The eighth floor houses a mini-theatre.

Then there’s a health club, a gym and a swimming pool. Two floors are reserved for Ambani family’s guests. Four floors above the guest floors are family floors all with a superb view of the Arabian Sea. On top of everything are three helipads. A staff of 600 is expected to care for the family and their family home.

In 2004, India became the 3rd most attractive foreign direct investment destination. Pakistan wasn’t even in the top 25 countries.

In 2004, the United Nations, the representative body of 192 sovereign member states, had requested the Election Commission of India to assist the UN in the holding elections in Al Jumhuriyah al Iraqiyah and Dowlat-e Eslami-ye Afghanestan. Why the Election commission of India and not the Election Commission of Pakistan? After 9/ll, Islamabad is closer to Kabulthan is Delhi.

Imagine, 12 percent of all American scientists are of Indian origin; 38 percent of doctors in America are Indian; 36 percent of NASA scientists are Indians; 34 percent of Microsoft employees are Indians; and 28 percent of IBM employees are Indians.

For the record: Sabeer Bhatia created and founded Hotmail. Sun Microsystems was founded by Vinod Khosla. The Intel Pentium processor, that runs 90 percent of all computers, was fathered by Vinod Dham. Rajiv Gupta co-invented Hewlett Packard’s E-speak project. Four out of ten Silicon Valley start-ups are run by Indians. Bollywood produces 800 movies per year and six Indian ladies have won Miss Universe/Miss World titles over the past 10 years. For the record: Azim Premji, the richest Muslim entrepreneur on the face of the planet, was born in Bombay and now lives in Bangalore.

India now has more than three dozen billionaires; Pakistan has none (not a single dollar billionaire). The other amazing aspect is the rapid pace at which India is creating wealth. In 2002, Dhirubhai Ambani, Mukesh and Anil Ambani’s father, left his two sons a fortune worth $2.8 billion. In 2007, their combined wealth stood at $94 billion. On 29 October 2007, as a result of the stock market rally and the appreciation of the Indian rupee, Mukesh became the richest person in the world, with net worth climbing to US$63.2 billion (Bill Gates, the richest American, stands at around $56 billion).

Indians and Pakistanis have the same Y-chromosome haplogroup. We have the same genetic sequence and the same genetic marker (namely: M124). We have the same DNA molecule, the same DNA sequence. Our culture, our traditions and our cuisine are all the same. We watch the same movies and sing the same songs. What is it that Indians have and we don’t?

INDIANS ELECT THEIR LEADERS

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NOW READ THIS REPLY

A reply to Dr. Farrukh Saleem

by Zeeshan Rizvi

I am not a usual email responder, but reading the article shared here has prompted me to set some records straight, for we Pakistanis are a pessimist nation, who always like to downplay ourselves and our country even if there are things about us that are worth cherishing.

To start with, the claim that Ambani brothers can buy 100% of “every” company listed on KSE and still be left with $30 billion is laughable to say the least. This is not to say that Ambani brothers are not worth being praised as brilliant businessmen, but to say that the claim made is grossly exaggerated.

According to Forbes, the net worth of Mukesh Ambani is $19 billion. One can click here to see his fortune details. His brother Anil Ambani is listed at number 34 among world’s top billionaires, and has his worth dropped to $10 billion. That makes their combined net worth even below $30 billion, an amount which according to the claim was to spare in the Ambanis’ account after purchasing all the companies listed in KSE.

And how on earth can an act of extravagance such as Ambani’s [gifting a jet – aided with luxuries to satisfy one’s primitive biological and social complexes to his wife] be cited as a positive example? In a country that has the largest number of people living without a roof, such an act is disgusting to say the least. The example could have been cited, if the subject had funded education, research, medical care, or food programs etc. instead of erecting a 173 meter high rise home for himself.

And I cannot help but praise the innocence of the writer when he asks us why UN asked Indian Election Commission to assist them in holding elections in Afghanistan and Iraq. First of all, applause to supporters of democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan. Let me remind them that Iraq’s invasion was “undemocratic”, and even vetoed, and that the US had moved “against” [yes, read again, “against”] UN to invade Iraq. Fancy promoting democracy after invading and installing a military regime and killing 1.5 million innocents somewhere.

He asks us the reason why India is sought to help in Afghanistan and not Pakistan? Well, let him go and search on the internet what the Indian Embassies in Jalalabad and Helmand have been doing under cover of issuing visas to Afghans. Islamabad has done a thousand times more for Kabul already than Delhi can ever imagine to. She has sacrificed lives, capital, security, and personnel for its neighbour ever since the bloody Soviet invasion. Let the reader go and search how Balochistan Liberation Army people are pouring in from Indian Embassies along the Durand line, and perhaps he will know the answer to his stupid question.

What puzzles me is the – deliberate – half sightedness of such pseudo-intellectuals. They can see one or two rich Indians but are unable to see the millions of Indians that sleep on the roadsides. They are always able to see the nice treatment a Muslim Shahrukh Khan is getting in India, but are never able to see thousands slaughtered at the hands of Narendar Modi, and thousands raped at the hands of Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) thugs in Gujrat. They are able to see a secular Sikh prime minister of India but are never able to recall the Golden Temple massacre of Sikhs in India. They claim India is secular and democratic but they never highlight the 8000 Christian families still hiding in jungles and the 200 churches burnt to the ground, and the hundreds of Nuns that have been gang raped on roads in Orissa since last year.

And since when has exhibiting one’s ladies in bikinis and rating them to win pageant titles become a pride for a Muslim nation? These “caught-in-the-middle” confused Muslims have to first decide what they want to follow – their own doctrine in the book of God or “the Incredible India”.

Either these intellectuals are brought up in a self deprived world and have been fed to malign their country, or their loyalties are bought for greener pastures so that they keep promoting hopelessness among their fellow countrymen.

All of this is not to say that Pakistan is devoid of corruption. We sure are messed up, but the example quoted for us is way worse than us, and has a Human right abuse record more dark than perhaps any other nation.

The epitome of stupidity is the conclusion of the article that decorates democracy for all the achievements of India. I hope the writer is not unaware of the riggings; extortions, murders, and corruption that make up the canvas of every Indian election. I hope he sees what the democratic government in Gujrat did to its citizens in Ahmedabad and its adjacent areas. I hope he can recall how the butchers in Gujrat slaughtered every Muslim including the “elected” minister and MP Ehsan Jaffery because of his Muslim identity. I hope he can recall someday how the Rashtriyah Swamisehwak Sang (RSS) assassinated India’s chosen and elected father –Mohandas Gandhi – for not being a hard core Hindu supporter of Akhand Bhaarat. I hope he can see what the “elected” government in India has been doing to help the Christians in Orissa. The list can go on – if only one wishes to know.

In recent times, the democracy doctrine has blindfolded people. Incessantly watching television has hindered their ability to think for themselves. If the writer so desperately hopes to eat the fruits of democracy, I hope he is enjoying it these days with our “elected” government and the progress that it has brought to this country.

ہم نے خود شاہی کو پہنایا ہے جمہوری لباس

جب ذرا آدم ہوا ہے خود شناس و خود نگر

کاروبار و شہریاری کی حقیقت اور ہے

یہ وجود میر و سلطان پر نہیں ہے منحصر

تو نے کیا دیکھا نہیں مغرب کا جمہوری نظام

چہرہ روشن اندرون چنگیز سے تاریک تر

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38 comments

  1. Very very good and reasonable response my friend.

    And I just love the last paragraph about “DemonHypocrisy”. Sorry I meant “Democracy”. Where monkeys rule the jungle as they are greater in numbers.

    Take care.


    • India should compare it self to a country of similar size such as china, compared to china india is shit !!!

      pakistan is doing ok for its size and is part of next 11 despite having to live with constant india military build up we are doing great


  2. wow awesome response…kept recieveing thjis article form people by e-mail. Excellent response once again!


  3. I have nothing to comment, hwever it is worth to comment on Democracy which is quoted by Pakistan’s colomusit Ayaz Amir..
    This is quoted dueting Indian 14th general elections..”India goes to polls and the world notices, Pakistan plunges into another exercise in authoritarian management-and the world notices but through jaundiced eyes. Are we so dumb that the comparision escapes us?” When will we wake up ?, When wil we learn ?When will dawn on us that it is not India’s size,population,tourisum or IT industry making us (Pakistan) look small, but Indian democracy”
    Bottomline my dear friend The world appluds Indian democracy as “largest democracy in the world” becuase India is sticking to democratic framework despite having so many challenges like Poverty, illitracy .. etc. All the Western media till recently predicting that Democracy will not survive in india, Military will take over and democracy can not survive as poor and illitrate people will not accpet it .. but they prooved to be wrong .. and that is the reason they applauds it …
    We pakistani do not know .. what kind of political framwork we are into


    • Dear Imran,

      The most important thing pertaining to the sovereignty of a nation is it top leadership and their loyalty to the nation , as its the highest job their no question about that.

      That is why a responsible personnel needs to be SELECTED not elected. Look at glorious past of Muslims were they elected or Selected.

      You see when one selects a personnel for a simple job of Management he checks and counter checks his eligibility, his achievements, his aptitude etc; imagine a job managing the whole country and keeping our faith in rigged polls ?

      Hope every one see the light that democracy creates a fantasy in demonized hearts, of only power and deluding innocents of their trust.

      Look around, these day the people who are elected are compromising our sovereignty.


      • selected on what basis ? tommorow you will say Zaid hamid should be selected as president on what basis..
        Don’t give that glorious part of muslims.. if muslims are having that glorious past why they could not retain it … Why youth in Pakistan are ready to blow themselves or cross the border and participating attacks on Neighbouring country…Why the youths in pakistan are queuing up agianst western countries embassies ..
        How you are saying the pakistan’s leaders are compromising sovergnity ? just becuase ZH and AQ says ? you read the other pakistani opinion too . it will be good to have 360 deg picture .. befor concluding ..


  4. Dear Imran,

    You are right about the world applauding India for its -apparently- democratic structure. But the question arises, would we try to do everything on which a handful of western corporations owning 96% of the world’s electronic media decide to applaud? Similarly, would we keep abandoning anything which the world media and media programmed people would disdain? The reason for us being criticized is not lack of democracy, its because they want to criticize us no matter what we do. If USA and EU are so fond of liberating people to democracy, here is my simple question to them. Why did they support the House of Saud in Saudi Arabia, the Sharifs in Jordan, the Nayhan Khalifahs in UAE, and above all, the military dictators Saddam Hussien in Iraq, Somoza in Nicaragua and Allendez in Chile? First find answers to these questions and then I will give you more homework questions to solve


    • Time to time western journalist has been critising Saudi monarchy.. If you see the history of USA,UK, France .. their growth and strength of economy lies in roots of democracy… we may argue that china is not having democracy but it is not having free press either … and whatever government decides you have to accept it … communisum is failure … If you go in China’s villages ( not Shanghai or Bijing) .. you will understand .. People are relocated from one place to another without being compensation citing the national interest..
      Regarding Pakistan.. We need to support our democracy its new & nascent but we should support it


  5. Here is another question for you to ponder on and then ask yourselves a question. Why are the Saudis, or the Emaratis, or the Jordanians not criticized? That is because the US and EU dont want to criticize them at the moment.

    Ever since WW-II and the rise of US as a world power, US has tried to create world hegemony. For this they have always created a demon monster and then a ghost buster to kill that demon monster. In the cold war era, the monster was “Communism” and the savior was “Capitalism”. After the Berlin wall was brought down, the new demon monster has become Islamic militancy and the savior, Democracy.

    Its all a joke, and within decades, this joke becomes a laughing stock in the pages of history. Today academicians and historians laugh at the US propaganda against Communism. Tomorrow they will laugh at their lies of today.


  6. very well written response…i only knew the 1st response…


  7. Dr Farrukh Saleem,

    Your comment in the end is entirely in the wrong context of your above hypothesis. As it you think every thing is all hunky and dory in INDIA because INDIANS ELECT THEIR LEADERS, but giving example of a born billionaire…
    You needed to see a real doctor and I think you got an Injection of reality from one..!!

    Well Done Zeeshan Rizvi


  8. “What is it that Indians have and we don’t?”

    Wrong answer: “INDIANS ELECT THEIR LEADERS”

    Right answer: Indians don’t have the likes of Farrukh Saleem, et al. in their midst.


  9. The only difference I see,in above article and its response is that ,Farrukh Saleem had spotlight Pakistan and Zeeshan of refuting Farrukh.It would have been better if Zeeshan compared apple with apple.

    Except for un-islamic parts of Farrukh,the rest of the matter could have been compared.

    It is true that rich-poor divide in India is wider than Pakistan,Indian billionaires are spreading Akhand Bharat ideology,everywhere in the world by their money.They were about to buy Pakistan Steel,thanks to the drama staged by Govt. and Judiciary.In privatisation,you cannot stop anybody.That is why,our privatisation is at standstill.

    Similarly,the figure quoted by Farrukh about Indian Americans,amounts to ” Hindu Samrajiat”thru’ America.Many a multi-national co.,in Pakistan have outsourced their jobs to Indian IT companies in Banglore.

    It is another story why Pak businessmen are not so succesful.ZAB’s nationalisation,made them shy.Moreover they are corrupt and hide wealth to avoid paying taxes.The un-documented economy in Pakistan may be, relatively bigger than India.Not many companies have obtained ISO accredition.

    Let us call spade a spade and consider Farrukh’s article as an eye-opener.

    As I writing these lines,ARY is announcing that its FM radio in UAE has a CEO,named ABHIJEET.

    Matam karo matam.


    • Parallel economy ( Undocumented economy) of india accounts to be $1 trillion.. it is almost equals to india’s exisitng published economy figures…The point is Indians from the last 10-15 yrs transformed themselves in attitude .. there are many more dollar bilionires created from middle class or lower middle class families in India ( e.g. Nandan nilkeni, Subroto Baghchi, Ashok soota etc.) ..and normal educated indians are working with keeping them as Idol. and we pakistanis are busy building mosques… Like you said that “ABHIJEET” is selcted as CEO of ARY nrws .. did you take any pain to find out why he is selected ? and why not a pakistani guy? you may get the answer..Have you visited any Indian blogs on world magzines like Business Week etc. see the discussion they are having & you will know there is fundamental difference in thinking that has created during last decade ..
      IN PKKH itself 6 out of 10 post are about India , how bad it is ? there economy is myth etc., other two are against US & west as how they are blocking Pakistan otherwise we would have great country and rest are regarding Zaid hamid glorifying islamic past of 200-300 years before, Gazva-e-hind and all ..in which nobody knows what is Pakistan’s contribution..
      In Indian blogs I never seen pakistan as topic of discussion except for Mumbai attacks where Pakistan’s involvement is confirmed..
      As usual you will treat me as RAW asset or mosad finded or CIA inspired.. but I have every right to express my opinion .. that is the asset of Democracy


  10. I agree, Paki is correct. Our main problem is corruption. Wealth accumulators hiding their real wealth. But the spotlight and culmination of Farukh Saleem’s article is its conclusion which declares “democracy” responsible for the stardom of Indian billionaires. As pointed out by you yourself, ZAB’s nationalisation made many businessmen shy. ZAB’s was not a military rule, it was the ever cherished democratic rule.

    My point is very simple, progress has nothing to do with democracy. What matters is an honest leader irrespective of how he rose to power. I am sure the current democracy in Pakistan has robed more millionaires (and billionaires, if any) in the country than any other past Government.

    Regimes in Andalus were not democratic. It may have had its shortcomings, but education and wealth did flourish there. Salahdin Ayubi was a military dictator too, but he liberated Al-Quds, and lifted his nation’s pride.

    Promoters of democracy themselves have double standards. Where it matters, they support Kings in middle east and Shah in Iran, and when it conflicts with their own interests, they oppose democratic governments like Hamas, and project them as terrorists.

    Might is the only right in their world.


  11. ambani is billionir thats true. he gave a jet to his wife as a gift thats true.. but this is also sad true that she never got to enjoy its flight coz jet got stuck on port for custome duty. n mr billionair isn’t being able to pay that duty to release his plane so his sweetheart can enjoy the flight….my suggestion to his wife would be take a flight in Indian airline, in the mean time 😛


  12. WATCH SLUM DOG MILLIONAIRE AND YOU WILL FIND THE TRUE PICTURE OF INDIA.


    • Watch any bollywood film featuring partition .you will know about Pakistan


      • @man
        We don’t need to watch any third grade bollywood movie to know about our country!


  13. Very very good response! loved it!


  14. Awesome response…very well.. keep it up..

    Pakistan Zindabad!


  15. Yo man,
    Why watch Bollywood film.The conditions for creation of Pakistan still exist.Your Imran Hashmi could not get a flat in Mumbai.You have to wait for another Pakistan to be created within India.Your Shahnawaz and Mukhtar Naqvi would not be able to stop it.


  16. very funny article by Furrukh

    Allama Iqbal Said

    PHIR TERE HASEENO KO ZAROORT HA HINA KI
    AUR RANG BAAQI HA ABHI MERE KHOON-E-JIGER MEIN


  17. The self-defeatist pseudo-intellectuals such as Dr. Farrukh Saleem act more like a black hole that emits only the darkness and nothing else. Such people always fail to appreciate the fact that how much this nation of pure has achieved during the last sixty-four years. Pakistan was established with a strategy to make it fail soon. We started our journey with virtually nothing in our kitty, no industry in our areas, and no university in our cities. On top of that, our rouge neighbor took all pains to make us fail in nation building, hurt our pride, damage our national interests, and bleed us internally. It is true that we also made serious mistakes in the due course – but that can only be expected from a new born nation – to make things even more difficult for us. Mind you that ideology that makes the very basis of our nationhood attracted enemies from far away parts of the world. We did not have to do any thing to earn their ire, anger, animosity. It was like hungry vultures lurking to prey on a meager new born lying alone on sand in a desert. Despite all those repeated attacks by our enemies of far and near, it is no small achievement that we survived. Not only that but we also emerged more capable of defending ourselves – and in the due couse, we have turned the course of the global history too. One Ambani may be able shower his wife with huge gifts but that, by any means, is not an indication of a strong and prosperous nation. All these somewhat exaggerated Indian achievements, as listed by Farrukh Saleem, do not really help huge number of homeless who are rotting on the streets in filthy Indian cities just like these hallow Indian achievements do not really help, in anyway, to the poor Indian farmers who take their own life every year in large numbers. While it is true that Indians have a nominal democratic system running in their country, their political fabric is as corrupt, incompetent, and criminalized as, if not more, than what we have in Pakistan. Our first national priority has been just the survival as a nation. Pakistan has hopefully passed beyond that mark. We are now an atomic power, producing our own tanks, fighter planes and other modern weapons. We have sufficiently good infrastructure for transportation and communication. We are gaining some pace in establishing world class schools and universities. We know we have huge hurdles and also our enemies are even more entrenched against us. But we have been doing fairly good and are now determined to do even better. At the end I would reflect our reader’s attention to a couple of important comparisons. India is at least nine times bigger than us in most aspects – including size, population, GDP, military, exports, and probably industrial base. But we have been able to safeguard our national dignity as an equal player despite all the wrong doings (military sanctions, blockades, backtracking on agreements, and sabotage) that we have been subject to by other powers. Take a look at Indi-China equation. Chinese gruesomely killed Indian soldiers in 1962, tied their dead bodies to the horse tails, and dragged those bodies to humiliate Indians. Indians were badly defeated in the subsequent war. Indians since then have always their gaze down in front of Chinese. In the recent spate of hot words between the two countries, Indian military chiefs have gone in public to remind their political leadership of their weakness in military matters as compared to the Chinese military. We, Pakistanis, have never allowed ourselves to be cowed down by Indians. That speaks volumes of our zeal to protect our national dignity. Second, Israel is a small nation that has been facing a bunch of much larger Arab countries for last six decades. These Arab countries are always on the receiving end despite the fact that Israel can not fight a war that is longer than two months. Israelis can either fight at the front or run their factories, utilities, and offices. I think, in both cases – India vs China and Israel vs Arabs – Indians and Arabs are missing some thing that we, Pakistanis, have that enables us to face a much larger, overwhelmingly wealthier, and apparently technologically more advance adversary, India. I would leave that something for the readers to guess about.


    • Well my guess is that pakistanis have “pride”and i being an indian muslim m proud of pakistan’s acheievements and I pray that pakistan and TTP should talk rather than to fight each other.If (ALLAH forbid) any side is acting as mercenary army to either USA or for cia,mossad or raw then May AlMIGHTY ALLAH Perish that party who is playing in the hands of dajjal’s friends(ALLAH knows best).I salute pakistan and feel that you pakistanis r fortunate to find a land for urself while 2o crores of ur brothers r 3rd class citizens in india(Dalits and untouchables being 2nd class citizens).


      • That land is still open.. you can go there and settle there.. Why are you remaining in India and crying like a looser. I am Indian Muslim & I am Indian first & then muslim..
        IF you think Pakistan is good place to live as it is muslim country then move on .. it is open..
        In middle east I worked in Banks and In Saudi ( which is Pakistan’s best friends).. I found saudis treating Pakistanis as slaves.. 90% of Cab drivers in Saudi are from Pakistan specifically from Peshawar.. the Boy who used to serve me tea was from Quetta.. .. Saudis does not care you are muslim or not .. they care what work you do in their country.. Hindus working in Banks are respected very well..


      • Well said, Indian Pathan. We all pray that May Allah save Pakistan from the tricks of Satan and his followers.

        In response to Shabbir – you are not a Muslim. THat stupid logic is of Hindus. Any Muslim is first a Muslim and then any thing else. That doesn’t necessarily mean that a Muslim is not sincere with the country he is living in. But mean Hindus always insist from the Muslims of India to always demonstrate that they (i.e. Indian Muslims) are Indian first and then a Muslim. Well, that cheap psyche forced the Muslims the tear theit mother India apart. Now is the turn of their mother Bharat to get the same in near future.


      • Hi Indian Pathan,

        I am sorry to say that you have a very narrow-minded approach to life. It’s coz of people like YOU, there are always religious tensions in parts of India. Y

        In india, irrespective of your religion if you work hard and earn a name for yourself; there is no one who will stop you from progressing in life. Dr.Abdul Kalam I feel is the best President India ever had till date. He, my friend is a Muslim who grew up in India. I doubt he has ever said anything about Muslims being treated as a 3rd class citizen. It’s all in your head.

        We have a lot of celebrities / famous respected people who are Muslims across all industries. They are respected and accepted by all people from all religions.

        Please leave Islam or any religion out of this topic.

        Like Shabbir pointed out; even in Saudi, Pakistani’s and Indians are treated the same way irrespective of their religion. So do you really want to go running to a country coz they have a muslim majority ? Please don’t use religion as a reason to hide your laziness to work hard and make a mark for yourself. Whether you are in Pakistan or in India you would have to work hard like anyone else to attain your goals.

        What would you do differently in Pakistan ? Please enlighten us all. How would being there make you a stronger Muslim or better chances for your family ?

        I am a Christian and my forefathers have always been a minority. I think we are lesser in number as compared to Muslims too… I do not see how this can affect my beliefs or my family values or change my propectives in life.

        Life’s not about freebie’s !!!

        cheers,

        Rahul


      • Hi Jasim,

        Everyone religion preaches that your fellow human beings comes first. Religion is a way of life and it starts with how you treat and respect your fellow beings.

        Just because Shabbir said that he is Indian first does not him a lesser Muslim. Infact, I feel that he is someone who actually understood what Islam is all about and knows his priorities in life. He does not imply that he will denounce his Muslim faith to be an Indian. Don’t put words in his mouth and change the meaning of what he is trying to convey.

        Again, you main interest is in breaking up India .. 🙂 This will never happen .. 🙂

        Please learn to think outside the box and understand what Islam is all about. It does not preach that all other religions are lesser. The core of Islam and Christianity is “tolerance for all”.

        Read, read and read some more about Islam and understand the true essence. It is not what you are preaching.

        cheers,

        Rahul


  18. farrukh saleem and pervaiz hoodbhoy both are harami and kanjar just watch todays hamid mir capital talk how these two basterds were grilled by a young lady and respected haroon rashid.saleem farrukh is a most stupid person i ever seen on media.well yes ambani family lost lot of money in 2009 and no more world #1 richest people.well farrukh saleem should bring his daughter wife or sister for miss world titles if he realy like to see pakistani girls in bikni better bring u own womens mr farruk.dont try to teach us these nonesense we are muslims probbaly u forgot but we pakistanis nope.i dont belive in indian econmy i think its like inflated balloon.sirf aik suiiiii marney ki dairr sab kuch nikal jayee gaaa.


    • superb response.. ALLAH bless u Zeeshan


  19. Shabbir bhai, i salute you. i’m an indian hindu. and i’m proud of it.many of my friends are very good muslims and very good indians like you.
    we indians will fight to the basic problems of india but not to pakistan
    jai hind.


  20. Hi guys, I would like to share this with you:
    There is a TV commercial of a chewing gum doing the rounds in India. It first shows three situations without any sound/voice of people.
    First situation: a group of politicians sitting and talking (no sound but they seem to be doing some really serious talk);
    Second situation: 2 batsmen standing on cricket pitch and talking (again no sound but they seem to be talking regarding strategy how to play);
    Third situation: 3 doctors in operation theatre standing with patient lying on bed, one senior (aged) doctor speaking and other doctors nodding to what he’s saying (again no sound but seems the senior doctor is discussing regarding patient’s operation).

    Now, again all the three situations are repeated with sounds of what they are talking.
    First situation: One politician saying, “Haan bhai, samose kaun khayega” [in English: hey guys, who would like to have samosa (samosa is a snack in India)]. Few of others say, “we will have samosas” whereas few say they would also like to have jalebi (a sweet) along with.
    Second situation: two batsmen on cricket pitch: one saying “where were you last night. That girl came and was asking for you”. Other batsman says “hey brother, I was in my room only. Why didn’t you call me”.
    Third situation: three doctors in Operation theatre with patient lying on bed. Senior doctor saying “we will divide that river side plot of land in three parts. I will get the part along the river side as I am senior”. Other doctors are shown nodding to what senior doctor said.

    And then comes the loud noise: COME ON INDIA, BAATEIN KUM, KAAM JYADA (COME ON INDIA, CONCENTRATE LESS ON TALKS AND MORE ON YOUR WORK).

    I think this sums up the situation for everybody (whether Christian, Hindu, Muslim) resident of any country (whether US, India, Pakistan, Japan).
    The more there are people spending their time talking and discussing the situations / past / revenge etc. in a country, the less will be the positive results.

    And friends, this applies to EVERYBODY, INCLUDING US.

    So very best wishes for Pakistan and very best wishes for India. Let’s tighten our belts and start doing our work.


  21. Hi Zeeshan Rizvi,

    I read your response and from that I can gather than you are a well-read individual. I myself is an Indian and grew up in a multi-cultural city and have had quite a few friends from Pakistan since childhood. I have nothing against Pakistan or Islam and what i write below is just a neutral view-point. So please read it in that way.

    Let me start by saying, India is far from perfect. We have ALL the social evils that exist in this day and age. But which country doesn’t ? 🙂 I doubt the author said anything along the lines of India being perfect. I am sure that the author himself is aware about the flaws about India. His take on the ariticle was to use the development in India to encourage his fellow countrymen to try and focus their attention to things that matter and do better for themselves and their country.

    But all you read was… “india is perfect … pakistan is flawed” … my friend, that’s where the problem lies .. that’s your natural instinct !! This is what the author is trying to convey. You spend a LOT of time writing this article about India’s flaws, searching the internet for facts to prove your claim but did you stop and try to think how your article could be used to change the people’s perspective about Pakistan ? 🙂

    Did you notice, instead of saying anything good about Pakistan and trying to change a “false” impression about Pakistan and enlightening others such as myself .. your article focussed on belittling India, belittling the Ambani’s and finding the faults with Indian politics ? India as a country is not represented by the Ambani’s or by the current political leaders or by riots that we have based on religion, politics etc.

    Then you start talking about religion and brought Islam into the picture. Why do all topics end with Islam and then I see responses from Pakistani’s that encourage you on ? Where did the author talk about religion ? He said that India is tolerant to a lot of religion and of course like any country in the world; there are bound to be riots and conflicts based on religion. I am sure you are aware of the problems faced by Christians in Pakistan. 🙂 Instead of pointing out this small comflicts in India … you need to look at the larger picture.

    You keep referring to Pakistan as a “Muslim Nation”, what about all the other religions in Pakistan ? Have you heard India being called a “Hindu Nation” (not talking about ages ago).

    I do agree that you have stated facts about India … but like the writer originally said

    “Simple answer to why the Indians fare better than the Pakistanis – They don’t focus on religion all the time and neither do they spend time and money in devising ways to kill their own and everyone else over religion.”

    An educated individual as yourself, should focus your energy and time on changing people perspective about Pakistan and letting the world know what Pakistan is really about. Instead this article is totally about what is wrong with India and with Indians and of course, you brought in religion and brought Islam into the picture. You have responses that went “go pakistan, go” … This my friend is the flaw.

    Honestly, I have the atmost respect for all nationalities. Especially pakistan, since my friend just a little over 65 years ago we were countrymen and we are brothers.

    I hope you understand what I am trying to convey.

    All the best,

    Rahul


  22. lol… i wrote a reply and you deleted it… brilliant !! ignorance does not hide the truth

    if you don’t have the ba*ls to keep readers response, why do you write articles online ? is this is a one-side forum only ? 🙂


  23. Hi Zeeshan Rizvi,

    I read your response and from that I can gather than you are a well-read individual. I myself is an Indian and grew up in a multi-cultural city and have had quite a few friends from Pakistan since childhood. I have nothing against Pakistan or Islam and what i write below is just a neutral view-point. So please read it in that way.

    Let me start by saying, India is far from perfect. We have ALL the social evils that exist in this day and age. But which country doesn’t ? I doubt the author said anything along the lines of India being perfect. I am sure that the author himself is aware about the flaws about India. His take on the ariticle was to use the development in India to encourage his fellow countrymen to try and focus their attention to things that matter and do better for themselves and their country.

    But all you read was… “india is perfect … pakistan is flawed” … my friend, that’s where the problem lies .. that’s your natural instinct !! This is what the author is trying to convey. You spend a LOT of time writing this article about India’s flaws, searching the internet for facts to prove your claim but did you stop and try to think how your article could be used to change the people’s perspective about Pakistan ?

    Did you notice, instead of saying anything good about Pakistan and trying to change a “false” impression about Pakistan and enlightening others such as myself .. your article focussed on belittling India, belittling the Ambani’s and finding the faults with Indian politics ? India as a country is not represented by the Ambani’s or by the current political leaders or by riots that we have based on religion, politics etc.

    Then you start talking about religion and brought Islam into the picture. Why do all topics end with Islam and then I see responses from Pakistani’s that encourage you on ? Where did the author talk about religion ? He said that India is tolerant to a lot of religion and of course like any country in the world; there are bound to be riots and conflicts based on religion. I am sure you are aware of the problems faced by Christians in Pakistan. Instead of pointing out this small comflicts in India … you need to look at the larger picture.

    You keep referring to Pakistan as a “Muslim Nation”, what about all the other religions in Pakistan ? Have you heard India being called a “Hindu Nation” (not talking about ages ago).

    I do agree that you have stated facts about India … but like the writer originally said

    “Simple answer to why the Indians fare better than the Pakistanis – They don’t focus on religion all the time and neither do they spend time and money in devising ways to kill their own and everyone else over religion.”

    An educated individual as yourself, should focus your energy and time on changing people perspective about Pakistan and letting the world know what Pakistan is really about. Instead this article is totally about what is wrong with India and with Indians and of course, you brought in religion and brought Islam into the picture. You have responses that went “go pakistan, go” … This my friend is the flaw.

    Honestly, I have the atmost respect for all nationalities. Especially pakistan, since my friend just a little over 65 years ago we were countrymen and we are brothers.

    I hope you understand what I am trying to convey.

    All the best,

    Rahul


  24. I just want to say that Dr. Farrukh could advice his country and nation in a better way rather than with such comparison of India and Pakistan that hints the sign of Racism or his own personal benefits that he get from anti-Pakistan countries. Dr. Farrukh, there are two types of criticism that is positive and negative, take your pick. You being as a writer dont play with the emotions of a particular group or a nationality just because of some peices of meat you eat from many vegetarian people. you are more than welcome if you start positive criticism rather than negative. Dr. Farrukh, it just shows your own mental disorder but nothing else. You could also give few examples or Bal Thakray and Bajrang Bali but you cannot for the reason being that you dont have gutts to speak all the facts but you do only for your personal benefits. I have seen you speaking against Pakistan and indirectly against Islam on TV also but I never heard from you anything against other nationalities who are also unfair to many.

    Please learn to behave and stop advising us to compete in miss universe shows. Your family girls might love to go for cat walks but not many of ours.

    Thanks and Regards

    Rashid Ishaq


  25. A good health discussion is going on. I enjoyed it. This article is being circulated accross the world. I recommend the viewers to take the best things from the article to keep my Pakistan Bros and Sis Happy, Healthy and Wealthy.



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