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The Spiritual War

August 17, 2009

Haris Mumtaz | PKKH Editorial Team
Edited by Sumayya Chawla

42-215721401967, a report was issued under the presidency of Lyndon B. Johnson, “The iron mountain report” which was a global research study on the possibility and desirability of peace in US. This was the era of cold war, the time when US was in the middle of Vietnam war and both US and Soviet Union providing excuses to Egypt, and Jordan that they can’t help them for the upcoming invasion on Israel (the 6 day war). How funny it seems now that the biggest opponents of cold war were practicing same diplomacy tactics when it comes to the sovereignty of Israel and dealing with Muslims. One can say that this was the right time to look for world peace and this study was conducted just for that…. or not. This report has reached the conclusion that the worst thing that can happen to United States and its national security were if world peace were to come about. It said that “if lasting peace could be achieved in the world, it would almost certainly not be in the best interest of the society because war is an essential part of the system, war is an essential part of the economy”. Period.

The above concept refers to the teachings of Leo Strauss a professor at Hebrew University of Jerusalem and who is known to be a political Zionist. It is widely believed that it was his teachings that fostered neoconservative foreign policy of George W. Bush’s administration. It was his teachings that resulted in the formation of Neo-cons or more accurately “Neo-con Evangelist Christian Zionists”. Among his famous students being Paul Wolfowitz, who was deputy secretary of defense during U.S. led Iraq war and William Galtson who was a senior advisor to President Bill Clinton on domestic policy. It is hence no surprise, that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld who are known for orchestrating the whole Iraq war, are among the well-known neo-cons who crave for war to fill their own interests.

The concept of keeping society intact by keeping them in a fear of constant war is not just a Western doctrine. Chanakya, who was an adviser and prime minister to the first Maurya Emperor, Chandragupta and who played an important part in the foundation and governance of Maurya dynasty used to say, that in order to gain control over the people of the country, always keep them in war with your neighboring dynasty or country. Hence it is not surprising at all that India has never been on good terms with it’s neighbours and these terms don’t seem to be on their way to improvement anytime soon..

Why global peace is such a dangerous phenomenon that it used to and still threatens the mightiest of empires and countries. If we dig deeper, the idea of world peace has been reduced to symbols from ancient mythology that are the very opposite of everything that reflects positive energy. For example, the sign of world peace (the dove) is in reality a ritualistic symbol for the Illuminati. Why the most powerful and influential people of the planet are scared of global peace? This is not a matter of imposing martial law on the people of the planet, the upraising of new world order. This has nothing to do with gaining more power or taking over the world or implanting RFID chips in humans as if they are “products” tagged with a number, these are just small pieces in the bigger picture. Believe it or not, even the most ritualistic or evil of mankind wants to get enlightened with satanic power, the power of evil, the power of their satanic god “Lucifer”.

The Satan challenged ALLAH (SWT):
“O My Lord, because Thy hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on the earth and I will put them all in the wrong. Except thy servants among them, sincere and purified (by Thy Grace)” (Al Hijr: 39-40)

And the war has been waged on mankind ever since. The question here is, who was purified by the will of God and how many dedicated their lives to serving the sinister plan of Satan, who thrives on anarchy, war and mayhem. The world peace is a threat to those who are the followers of satan. This is a war of spiritual values, the religious beliefs of the good and the evil, this is the war of the verses..

President George W. Bush told French President Jacques Chirac in early 2003 that Iraq must be invaded to invoke Gog and Magog, the Bible’s satanic agents of the Apocalypse. The president of the United States, in a top-secret phone call to a major European ally, asked for French troops to join American soldiers in attacking Iraq as a mission from God. During the Iraqi invasion in 2003, their out of office statement was that “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East…the biblical prophecies are being fulfilled…this confrontation is willed by God … and this is necessary before the beginning of the new age”. Now all of a sudden the prophecies from the book of Ezekiel and Jeremiah (Jewish Books) are so important for them that they were willing to forget their very own New Testament which clearly tells us the downfall of their evil (read: satanic worship) in such a way that even their ultimate savior Jesus (PBUH) won’t help them.

But as Bible says:
“Seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.” (Matthew 13:13)

Even Quran tells us about Zulqarnain and the wall that he built to keep Gog and Magog from spilling onto the earth. Yes we allowed them to manipulate our ancient history by replacing Zulqarnain with Alexander the Great but this is just another example of our ignorance. We might have seen the movie “Alexander the Great” and admired it but we have no fear or knowing of the second coming on Gog and Magog prophesized in Quran:

“But when Gog and Magog are let loose and they rush headlong down every height (or advantage). Then will the True Promise draw near” (Al Anbiyaa:96-97)

There is nothing significant about Horus sharing same life events as of Jesus. What most of us don’t know this Egyptian methodology of Horus is same as the methodology of Nimrod with her mother Semiramis and the miraculous birth. Horus who was also known as the “war god” or the “god of war” is associated with the falcon. The great seal of United States which features the “falcon” on one side and “pyramid” on the reverse side, strongly reinforces their dogma of following the Horus and Egyptian gods. A detailed study of events occur in the Mesopotamian region (present day Iraq, with some parts of Syria, Turkey and Iran) will give you so much more that will change your point of view on macro level. The Operation Iraqi Liberation wasn’t about just OIL. For them Iraq (former Babylon) is the land of their serpent Gods. For them they are the new leaders of the planet. They will prove what once has been joked by Ronald Reagan on international media that “What is that we need to build world peace … an attack from some outer space, an alien attack that will unite us under one supervision” (New World Order).

You may call them evil beings or satan worshippers … you can see them worshipping and presenting sacrifices to Moloch every year in July (The Bohemian Grove) and still we don’t understand why they are doing this? Nimrod was the first monarch on this earth who wanted to take over the whole world. Today Nimrod statue is present in Israel with Nimrod being one of the most famous names among its inhabitants. He was a “fire-worshipper” and he’s been idealized in a country formed on the ideology of a monotheistic religion. It’s hard to imagine what kind of evil we are dealing with and knowing no evil makes you one of them. This is what they are trying to do to keep us ignored and in return we are becoming a devil within our ownselves.

No matter how much you talk about the Holocaust of World War II, no matter how much you yell over the legality of Belfour Declaration, blame Lawrence of Arabia, Mufti Amin Al Hussaini (the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem), Anwar Saadat anyone. According to Jews, creation of Israel is the fulfillment of the prophecy written in Torah (old testament).

“I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the Lord, keep not silence, and give Him no rest, till He establish, and till He make Jerusalem a praise in the earth”. (Isaiah 62:6, 7)
Then say to them what Adonai Elohim says: ‘I will take the people of Israel from among the nations where they have gone and gather them from every side and bring them back to their own land”. (Ezekiel 37: 21)

If we dig history further, these verses are in conflict with each other and we will notice a pattern in them which will lead us to the present time, to the world we know today. The problem is we have forgotten our history our roots, we have been put into sleep deliberately and they, they have memorized history like no one’s business.

In the “book of Daniel” comes a story about a prophet of God named Daniel who, while explaining the meaning of a dream seen by the king of Babylon, ‘Nebuchadnezzar’ prophesiezed the upcoming world events. This was the time of Jewish exile into Babylon. It was here in Babylon the Jews started learning and practicing black magic known as “Kabbalah”. It was a time for the creation of Talmud and Mishnah, both being books of law that deviates Jews from the original commandments given to Moses and which govern the present day Israel. Prophet Daniel in the year 333 BC prophesized about the upcoming empires of the world. In the end of it he prophesized that, 2300 years from then on, an “evil empire” will emerge on the face of this earth and from that point we will enter into the end of times. Do your math and you’ll find out that the year is 1967. The year in which after the end of 6 days war with Palestine, Syria, Jordan and Egypt, Israel was able to capture the Sinai desert, Golan heights, West bank and Jerusalem. It was after this war that Israel emerged on the face of the earth as a superpower : An empire founded on murder and injustice: or in the words of Prophet Danile (PBUH), an ‘evil’ empire. He also prophesized that 45 years after the creation of the evil empire, the time for the coming of Antichrist or Dajjal will be very near. Do your math again and find out which year he is referring to.

This is a war initiated by Satan himself and it is a battle for our soul. Dajjal being the final of Satan’s weapon for inflicting unbearable pain on the sons and daughters of Adam, is about to be unleashed into this world. The Quran teaches that for Nimrod came Abraham, for Pharoah came Moses and for Dajjal will come Jesus (PBUH). So, the question that we need to ask is; are we ready for this war on the ground and more importantly within ourselves? The misinterpretation and manipulation of holy scriptures is nothing but a warfare technique chosen by satan and his followers. Those who understand this know that this is in every sense a ‘spiritual’ war.

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80 comments

  1. This is brilliant. It gives me and i am sure for the readers a whole new perspective of the current geopolitical scenario of the world and what is going to happen … yes we believe that Dajjal is coming and we have to be ready. After reading this article i am sure that if we want to face Dajjal or its system we have to go back to the teaching of our religion. Great article and looking forward to read more articles like this.


  2. awesome article.. gr8 work PKKH. I recommend people to look into the analysis of gog and magog, and dajjal, by Sheikh Imran Hosein, he also has a similar conclusion, that now the US collapse is being orchestrated to make a final push to make Israel the ruling country on the planet, which will then follow the appearance of Dajjal as a ruler who will rule from Jerusalem and the jews will be deceived into thinking that their Messiah prophecy has been fulfilled.


    • salam alaikum,

      i would like to look into the analysis of Gog and Magog that you have recommended, and would appreciate it if you provide a link where i can get this analysis


      • walaikum salaam
        go to imranhosein.org, all his material is available there.
        tc


      • thank you very much
        I have downloaded his book


  3. Xcellent analysis.. With such articles coming out…i guess day by day people are getting more conscious with respect to zionism


  4. thank you very much for such an informative article
    keep posting


  5. A very nicely written article, the year 2012 has alot of significance. The great propheciser Nostardamus also depticted 2012 an year of great change (not that i beleive in his predictions, but people do).

    May Allah expose to us the truth and may we be the ones fighting under the leadership of Imam Mehdi, Ameen


  6. many of the ideas are based on the popular utube series “The Arrivals”. Some parts are well elaborated. However, i would really appreciate if you provide authentication on presence of Hazarat Daniel in the year 333 B.C!! Wht I have found so far Prophet Daniel was alive during the 630-550 B.C as this was the era of King Nebuchadnezzar whose reference you have made above. Doing the math does not lead to the year 1967. henace the year 2012 ( 1967 + 45) which you further referred. Note that the year 2012 is also pointed out in the series “Arrivals” as of being a year where zionists and satanists are plotting something of a bigger scale then 9-11… I will be obliged if you authenticate the year 333 B.C


    • Thank you Nabeel for coming up this question. Nebuchadnezzar saw in dream was a metal human image for which the head of it was of gold, arms and chest of silver, belly and thighs of brass legs of iron and the feet of which are in iron and clay. Prophet Daniel interpreted them as the current and future empires of the earth. Gold as the current Babylon empire of Nebuchadnezzar, silver represents Persian, brass represents Greek, iron represent roman empire which then got divided into two (roman and Byzantine). According to Daniel, the era of Alexander the great when Greek empire will take over Babylon and enter in to Asia is the time from which 2300 years needs to be taken into consideration and which is exactly the year 333 BC. Now book of Daniel doesn’t provide you this information, you can get this from various commentaries on that book and other historical references. Unfortunately i can’t add so much info in this article which is catering a much bigger issue but i am sure that this will provide sufficient information regarding your concern.

      for further details please watch “Chuck Missler – Antichrist – The Alternate Ending”


  7. Excellent, and with detail information.


  8. 14 Aug 1947 = 27 Ramdan 1366 A.H.
    14 Aug 2012 = 27 Ramdan 1433 A.H.
    =====

    Not only the verse “What other bounties of your Sustainer, do you still not believe?” is repeated 31 times (Prime Number) but the sum of its verse numbers is:
    13+16+18+21+23+25+28+30+32+34+36+38+40+42+45+47+49+51+53+55+57+59+61+63+65+67+69+71+73+75+77 = 1433 (Prime Number too).

    1433 A.H. = 2012 A.D.

    God bless greatest bounty to all good people in this year.
    =====

    Every Mujaddid came at beginning of Islamic century (before 1/3 or 33% of century). Mujaddid of current Islamic century will be Imam Mahdi (Imam Rabani). So he should appear before 1433 A.H (2012 A.D) otherwise we have to wait for next 70 years. If only one day remaining for end of time he should be appeared (Hadith).


    • by the way who is the Mujadid for 14th century?

      or is it gone without a mujadid?


      • God will raise for this community at the end of every hundred years the one who will renovate its religion for it. (Sunan Abu Dawud)

        On this issue, the great Islamic scholar Imam Rabbani states the following:

        At the head of each century, God sends a mujaddid among the ulama of this community who revives the Shariah. (Imam Rabbani)

        There can be more then one mujaddid at same time living in different parts of world.

        You can see the list

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujaddid

        Mevlana Halid was mujaddid of twelve century and Bediuzzaman Nursi was mujaddid of previous century in Turkey Side.

        According to Imam Rabani and Bediuzzaman, Mujadid of current century 1400s will be Imam Mahdi.

        “It is expected that, after 1,000 years, this secret administration will be renovated. It will be granted with superiority… This way, genuine virtue will emerge and cover the degradation… And it is expected that the Mahdi, the supporter, will come. May God be pleased with him.” (Imam Rabbani, Letters of Rabbani, vol. 1, p. 569)

        The confirmation of the religious law, the renovation of people takes place in this second thousand. The just witnesses of the truthfulness of this cause are the existence of Prophet Jesus [pbuh] and Mahdi in this period (the second thousand years). (Imam Rabbani, Letters of Rabbani, vol. 1, p. 611)

        Those among the nation of Allah’s Messenger (may God bless him and grant him peace) are highly perfected in faith. It does not matter whether they are few in number, even a thousand years passes after the death of our Prophet (may God bless him and grant him peace). Their being perfected in faith serves to the following end: strenghtening the Islamic law in its true sense.

        The coming of the Mahdi after 1,000 years serves this purpose. Our Prophet (may God bless him and grant him peace), the last Messenger, gave the glad tidings of his coming. Prophet Jesus (pbuh), on the other hand, will come down after 1,000 years. (Imam Rabbani, Letters of Rabbani, vol. 1, p. 440)

        A little more than 1,000 years pass over the passing of God’s Messenger (may God bless him and grant him peace) from this life, a time comes and the true Islam rises from its own ranks and unites with the truth of the Ka`bah. Then, on behalf of the true Islam, the name of truth of Ahmad emerges… From the two names comes a name into effect; and the place of true Islam is left unoccupied until the coming of Prophet Jesus [pbuh]. Ultimately, Prophet Jesus [pbuh] comes and performs his religious duties in conformity with the religious laws of Islam. Then, true Christianity rises from its own ranks and rules in the realms of true Islam. (Imam Rabbani, Letters of Rabbani, vol. 1, p. 470)

        A thousand years after the death of our Prophet (may God bless him and grant him peace), people will enter the second millennium. According to Imam Rabbani, quoted above, the Mahdi and Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will come during that time.


      • “Bediuzzaman Nursi was mujaddid of previous century in Turkey Side. ”

        I have read few chapters of Risale Nur – he is indeed bestowed with knowledge of Quran

        but i was not aware of his claim of Mujaddid for 14th century – where he has stated that – could you provide a link for that?

        Here is the list of Mujaddids who have appeared in Islam

        1. First century A.H.: Hazrat Umar ibn Abdul Aziz.

        2. Second century A.H.: Hazrat Imam Shafi’i, and Hazrat Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal.

        3. Third century A.H.: Hazrat Abul Hassan Ash’ari, and Hazrat Abu Sharh.

        4. Fourth century A.H.: Hazrat Abu Ubaid Naishapuri, and Hazrat Qazi Abu Bakr Baqlani.

        5. Fifth century A.H.: Hazrat Imam Ghazali.

        6. Sixth century A.H. Hazrat Sayyid Abdul Qadir Gilani.

        7. Seventh century A.H.: Hazrat Mueenuddin Chishti, and Hazrat Imam ibn Taimiyya.

        8. Eighth century A.H.: Hazrat Hafiz ibn Hajar Asqalani, and Hazrat Saleh ibn Umar.

        9. Ninth century A.H.: Hazrat Sayyid Muhammad Jaunpuri.

        10. Tenth century A.H.: Hazrat Imam Jalaluddin Sayuti.

        11. Eleventh century A.H.: Hazrat Mujaddid Alif Sam.

        12. Twelfth century A.H.: Hazrat Shah Waliullah Muhaddith Dehlavi.

        13. Thirteenth century A.H.: Hazrat Sayyid Ahmad Brelvi


      • Who is the reformer for 14th century? a link to his claim?

        The claim of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib is rejected by the Jews of his time as well.


      • I think Mujaddid never claims for this post in his life time. This is honor from people for their work after their death. Also there were lesser mujaddid and greater mujaddid according to their work but final and greatest mujaddid will be Imam Mahdi of current century.


      • I think that a Mujadid made his status known to people. Is it not Allah Who has appointed them mujaddids for Muslim Ummah? Anyone who is appointed by Allah as a mujaddid for Muslim Ummah should make it known. I’ll lokk into this matter further.


  9. Excellent work ..
    Please allow me to share something. The tree of life is a symbolic pattern used in kabbalah magic, it ends at 10, 10 representing God, and if you skip from 9 to 11 , i.e if you skip God, well this seems to be a direct challenge to God i.e you are luciferian. Now September 11 or 9/11 or 9 to 11 (skip 10) seems comparable. 1990 is marked as the year of the infamous New World Order speech by Bush senior, 11 years later you have 9 /11 and 11 years from that, there is this expected calamity of 2012. Please research into this and share whatever you find out (i cannot add every detail here , research on what i have mentioned please)
    Personally, i believe that it is not only through “WASWASAY” or “Evil Whispers” that Shaitan deceives us, Satan is in direct contact with the people ‘running’ this world who allegedly ‘can have a meal together on one big table’ i.e they are a handful ..
    Please watch ‘the arrivals’, it is an excellent piece of work by youths like us ..
    There is no peace like the peace in reading the Quran .. it is a book that ‘explains everything’ 🙂


    • Excellent comment Ali 🙂


  10. search for THE ARRIVALS, JEWS OF KHAZARS, MONEY MASTERS AND IMRAN NAZAR HOSSEINS LECTURE on youtube..inshallah will get more insights..carry on the good stuff..
    mashallah


  11. nice 1…
    keep it up with such comprehensive writings…. really nice work…

    Allah Bless you FOLKS
    LONG LIVE PAKISTAN


  12. Great Info provided by P.K.K.H in this article.

    “Sahihh Ahadees-e-Nabwi(P.B.U.H)” are filled with open info & Signs of end time, from Dajjal, Imam MEHDI to Prophet ISSA(P.B.U.H)& GEZWAY-E-HIND to the Dajjal’s death by Propher ISSA(P.B.U.H) & the Signs of YOOM-UL-QIYAMA.My request to P.K.K.H is to spread these SIGNS from SAHIHH AHADEES as our Prophet(P.B.U.H) is SADIK & our distiny is in ISLAM only.Thats the only path which leads to our success.


  13. Salam,
    Good article but the language has always been an issue here at PKKH and even the papers which I read at Brasstacks. These articles contain deficiencies so an average reader or someone who doesn’t believe in these findings, would find it difficult to believe in the research of those who have difficulties writing proper language. No offence. I just wanted to point a deficiency out. Rectifying it would lead to a better effect on all the readers(I generally find the aforementioned deficiencies). Also the article didn’t give a sense of quenching one’s thirst to know more to a slighter bit as too much knowledge seems to have been compressed (Or tried to have been compressed) in a rather shorter article. It seems that little excerpts from various sources have been simpllified to an extent in order to provide relevant information; An insufficient attempt than I wouldn’t have had expected from a big forum like this.
    I would point just one mistake out in order to keep the rage of the writers at a slightly lesser level than I would expect it to be after reading my comments 🙂
    “This is what they are trying to do to keep us ignored and in return we are becoming a devil within our ownselves”.
    Even the sentence formation is weaker and the usage of “We are becoming a devil” provokes a lesser knowledgeable person like me yet I wouldn’t dare correct it all but humbly say that the word “IGNORED” doesn’t utter whatever the writers tried to portray.
    Your sources of information must be richer than mine yet I would really appreciate if your team gives it your best before getting it on the blog.
    Once again I apologize for any offence if I have caused to you or the readers and would really wish the best of luck for you all.I cant get enough time these days but planning to write a detailed version of what you people have presented here in this article.Thank you and goodluck.


  14. Great work, analysis, and inputs from all my friends and brothers. Just be ready for the days, months and years to come. Lets come to one common platform and be united till the end. The war started quiet earlier and now the time has come to end it with unity, dignity and faith. May Allah help us. Ameen.


  15. Great article…let me add that the agenda of these Satanists is to eliminate the concept of God from the world that’s why monotheistic religions have been their target since the 19th century, be it Judaism, Christianity or Islam…Since Obama took charge they’ve shifted their guns towards Pakistan in a pre-planned manner as they know that, although prone to corruption; somehow, Pakistanis are obsessed with Allah (SWT), Muhammad (PBUH) and Islam… so they’ve launched a massive campaign using famous media personnel…if you visit daily Dawn website….you will know what I mean…and this is just one example…an outburst of Sufism, secularism, communism, and all the isms which obliterate the spirit of Islam, are being propagated…and recently our so called FREE media has an ongoing debate, whether the founder of Pakistan wanted the country to be Islamic or Secular….Therefore, in these times it is absolutely necessary for every Muslim to connect to the true Islamic spirit through Quran and Hadith….unfortunately most of us will be amongst hypocrites and will fall to the delusions of Dajjal (The Antichrist) except those who stick to the true message of Muhammad (PBUH)…free from afflictions (bida’a)…. As The Holy Prophet (PBUH) says, “A time will come that the best property of a Muslim will be sheep which he will take on the top of mountains and the places of rainfall (valleys) so as to flee with his religion from afflictions.” (Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 2 :: Hadith 18) and in another Hadith He Says, “ahead of you are days which will require endurance, in which showing endurance will be like grasping live coals” (Dawud :: Book 37 : Hadith 4327)
    And the Islamic belief would be under attack as it is so evident from today’s circumstances… Allah’s Apostle said, “Verily, Belief returns and goes back to Medina as a snake returns and goes back to its hole (when in danger).” (Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 30 :: Hadith 100)
    May Allah (SWT) guide us in keeping our Faith and identifying the real threats..Aameen


  16. the article is wonderfull,someon above said that “it seems the knowledge has been compressed which makes it difficult for a layman to understand the concept”
    my reuest is, this subject is so vast that if the writer puts all of that here,the length of the article would be enough to drive people away,people tend to lose interest in lengthy articles..the references are enough to leave substanitial stuff for the seekers of knowledge to search on their own,if they are interested.

    good job PKKH!


    • Salam, Thank you for sharing your thoughts about my analysis. I didn’t say that the article was bad but told that it could be presented in a better way so that it didn’t give the feeling that knowledge has been compressed.
      Again thank you for sharing your opinion with me.


  17. I’m working on some more possiblities of the 2012 version of spreading the Fake Christianity in the world as opposed to the propaganda in all the world about whats going to happen in 2012. I have given this idea to you as my resources are limited than yours so you yourselves should work upon it too. I think all the 2012 thing has been made up to some extent. Somethings would surely happen yet its not what all the world is shouting about because at one side, they say that the christianity today is acutually the all-seeing-eye worshipping cult and on the other hand they try to prove and justify their findings upon the bible written by those very all-seeing-eye worshippers. This is a contradiction which makes me think at the least and I hope that with your resources and the zeal that you have, you will be successful in this project too. If I could be helpful with anything, I would be glad to participate.
    (As Eric dubay writes about Islam also being one of the kabalistic religions while writing the word kabballah as KABA + Allah and that we worship Kabba by circling around it and its also a kabalistic ritual to circle around a 4-sided box) (this and all other stuff actually seems another try of these zionists to make as many people distanced from Allah as possible).
    Thank you and Assalam o Alaikum.


  18. Nice article and stuff. If you want to have a detailed look into this article as a video presentation than please go to

    http://brasstacks.pk/coolpage/rel-med.htm

    and watch “The Arrival Series”. This series has 4 parts and its worth watching.

    If you are having problem in finding this, write me an email at kamranshahzadkhan@gmail.com. i will provide u alternate way to get those videos.


  19. It is believable how our societies are running toward one mission. But why are we so scared? because of what? satan and his worshipers trying to take over this world? This will come to end anyway, its just a freedom of choice people are enjoying.
    The final power, authority is only in the hands of Allah and he will reward the good faith and a pretty bad punishment to evil.
    Let them play, let them plan, we will fight for this world for a better times, waiting for the good. InshAllah.


  20. ” The Quran teaches that for Nimrod came Abraham, for Pharoah came Moses and for Dajjal will come Jesus (PBUH). So, the question that we need to ask is; are we ready for this war on the ground and more importantly within ourselves? ”

    The Quran does not have any such information that for Dajaal propeht jesus (pbuh), an israelite prophet who had died centuries before, will be sent again.

    This can’t be logical at all and such misinterpretationa nd misconceptions are the result of blindly following the dogmas and ignorance of Mullahs and church.

    There is well known hadith of prophet – that if Dajaal comes in his time he will argue with him – the solution to fight againts dajaal is given – challenge it materialistic blindness with spirituality.

    According to Quran Prophet Jesus (pbuh) is dead.

    for further investigation and research one should give a fair time to the http://www.aaiil.org literature.


    • @Amna and for those who don’t believe on Second Coming of Jesus (pbuh) :====

      Rafa-o-Nuzool-e-Maseeh:—-

      http://www.tanzeemarchive.org/tanzeemeislami/Khitab%20e%20Juma/2009-07-31DR.ra

      http://www.tanzeemarchive.org/tanzeemeislami/Khitab%20e%20Juma/2009-08-07DR.ra

      Jesus Will Return (Evidence from the Qur’an):—-

      http://www.jesuswillreturn.com/s1_4.html

      http://www.jesuswillreturn.com/s1_3.html

      When God said: “Jesus, I will take you back and raise you up to Me, and purify you of those who are unbelievers. And I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection. Then you will all return to Me, and I will judge between you regarding the things about which you differed. (Surah Al ‘Imran, 3:55)


    • wrong, According to Mirza Qadian and Ghamidi Jesus is dead, not according to the Quran.
      For Jesus (AS) to come back is perfectly logical. You need a little history lesson to know how. I suggest you listen to Dr Israr on this subject.
      Rejecting the second coming of Jesus, is itself one of Dajjal’s deception. Because it all follows a chain.No Jesus, no Mahdi, no dajjal, hence when dajjal does assume leadership of the world sitting in Jersualem, people will not recognise him. This is the mastery of deception which Dajjal possesses, and this is exactly what Prophet Muhammad (SAW) warned us about. What IS will seem it is not, and what is not, will seem it IS.


      • Quran (4: 157-158)
        157. That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

        158. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

        says it all


    • Amna are you from pervezi sect because those are the people who think that they can give scientific and philosophical explanations of Quran and they dont even care to read Ahadith.Anyway Brother Haris has given you proof from Quran Paak now. You should have read Quran Paak before making any comment like this 😛


  21. This is a group where one should speak with a bit of research and knowledge of the subject.

    The verse quoted above is taken out of its context simply because the word Rafa is translated as “raised” when it should be translated as “exalted”.

    God indeed exalted Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and delivered him from his enemies’ evil plans.

    These words do not suggest at all that he was taken alive to heaven.

    Indeed Israelite Jesus (pbuh) is dead. There is no “new or old” prophet after Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and anyone who is waiting for another prophet is just making a fool of him due to taking the words in their literal sense.

    The solution to fight against the Dajjal is given by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself – he said if he appears in his time he’ll argue with him. He did not say that he’ll wait for a dead Israelite prophet to suggest a solution for him.

    I am reading http://www.aaiil.org literature for almost 10 years and I think any fair-minded person without any preconceived notions against them should “investigate” the matter first instead of parrot talk.

    Quran does advice us – anyone who brings a news to you – you should investigate its veracity thoroughly.

    I can quote here several verses which proclaim Jesus (pbuh) is dead but below are the excerpts which speak about the ‘Rafa of Jesus”.

    I do not belong to any sect but to the faith which makes Allah a reality.

    This is the best literature on Islam.
    http://aaiil.org/text/books/bookmain.shtml

    It should be explored and researched well.

    Exaltation of Jesus

    http://aaiil.org/text/books/others/khwajanazirahmad/jesusinheavenonearth/ch14exaltationjesuschrist.shtml

    “And for their saying: We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah, and they killed him not, nor did they cause his death on the cross, but was made to appear to them as such. And certainly those who differ therein are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge about it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for certain: Nay, Allah exalted him in His presence. And Allah is ever Mighty, Wise” (Ibid., 4 : 157-158).

    However, in the chapter The Women, the words: “Nay: Allah exalted him (Jesus) in His presence” have been interpreted by some, nay, most of the commentators, as “raising him up to the heavens.” They observe that Allah cast his likeness on someone else and Jesus himself was lifted up to the heavens with his body. He is alive there and will descend therefrom in the latter ages. Thereafter, he would kill the swine and break the Cross. And they base their story:

    Firstly, on those reports in which the descent of Jesus is mentioned after the (appearance of) Anti-Christ. But these reports are at variance with and contradictory to one another in their words and meanings. The difference is so great that there is no room for any reconciliation among them. The scholars of Hadith have plainly stated this fact. Moreover they are reported by Wahab bin Munnabba and Ka’b Akbar, who were converts from the People of the Book. And their status is well known to critics of Traditions.

    Secondly, on a report by Abu Huraira that mentions the descent of Jesus. If this report is proved to be true, even then it is only an isolated report. And there is a consensus of opinion of the scholars of Hadith that such isolated reports can neither be made the basis of a doctrinal belief, nor can they be trusted with regard to things unseen.

    Thirdly, on the report about Mir’aj (that is, the Ascension of the Prophet to the heavens) which narrates that when the Prophet went up and began to have the gates of the heavens opened one after another and entered them as they were opened, he saw Jesus and his cousin John on the second heaven. For us, it is enough to prove the weakness of this evidence, that many interpreters of the Tradition have taken this contact of the Prophet with other prophets to be a spiritual phenomenon and not a physical one (vide Fath al-Bari, Zad al-Ma`ad, etc.)

    Strangely enough they interpret the word rafa` in this verse in the light of the report concerning the Mi `raj, and deduce therefrom that Jesus was also bodily raised up. And there are others who regard the meeting of the Prophet with Jesus to be a physical one on the basis of this verse, (that is, “Nay! Allah exalted him in His presence”). Thus, when these people interpret the Hadith they quote this verse to support their imaginary meaning of the Hadith, and while interpreting the verse they cite this Hadith to support their imaginary explanation of the verse.

    When we turn to the revealed words of God: “I will cause you to die and exalt you in My presence” in the chapter The Family of `Imran along with the words: “Nay! Allah exalted him in His presence” in the chapter The Women, we find that the latter verse fulfils the promise that was made in the former one. This promise was about the death and exaltation of Jesus Christ, and his exoneration from the false charges of the disbelievers. Thus, even if the latter verse had mentioned just his rafa` towards God and had no reference to his death and exoneration from the false charges, even then it should have been our duty to take note of all those matters that are referred to in the former verse; so that both the verses might be reconciled.

    The actual meaning of the verse, therefore, is that Allah caused Jesus to die and exalted him and sanctified him against the charges of his enemies. Allama Alwasi has interpreted verse (inni mutawaffi ka) in many ways. The clearest of these interpretations is that “I will complete the lease of your life and will cause you to die and will not let those people dominate you who try to kill you.” For, completing the period of his life and causing him to die a natural death indicates that Jesus was saved from being slain and from the mischief of his enemies. Obviously rafa` after death cannot mean any physical ascension, but only exaltation in rank, especially when the words “I will clear you of those who disbelieve” are present along with it. This shows that it is a question of spiritual honour and exaltation. The word rafa` has occurred many a time in the Qur’an conveying this sense: for example, “In houses which Allah has permitted to be exalted (turfa’a)” (The Quran, 24 : 36); “We exalt in dignity (narfau`) whom We please” (Ibid., 6 : 84; 12 : 76); `And We exalted (rafa `na) for you your mention” (Ibid., 94 : 4); `And We raised him (rafanjhu) to an elevated state” (Ibid., 19 : 57); `Allah will exalt those of you who believe …” (Ibid., 58 : 11), etc. Thus, the expressions “I will exalt you in my presence” and “Nay! Allah exalted him in His presence” would yield a sense similar to the one when we say “So and so met the Companion on High,” or “God is with us,” or “With the Powerful King.” All these expressions signify only shelter, protection and coming under His care. So one fails to understand how the word heaven is deduced from the word towards Him (ilaih). By God! it is an outrage on the plain exposition of the Qur’an. And such an offence is committed simply on account of belief in such stories and narratives which are devoid of accuracy, not to speak of their established unauthenticity.

    Moreover, Jesus was merely an apostle and apostles before him had passed away. When the people of Jesus became hostile to him, he like other prophets, turned towards God and He saved him by His power and wisdom, and frustrated the plans of his enemies. The same point has been elaborated in the following verse: “When Jesus perceived unbelief on their part, he said: Who will be my helpers in Allah’s way….” That is, in this verse God says that His plans were more subtle and effective than the plans of the disbelievers. As against the measures of protection and security from God, the attempts of these people against the life of Jesus were frustrated. In the verse: “When Allah said: O Jesus! I will cause thee to die and exalt thee in My presence and clear thee of those who disbelieve,” Allah gives the glad tidings that He will save Jesus from the machinations of his enemies and that ultimately their plottings will end in futility and that He will complete the period of his life till he dies a natural death neither being slain nor yet crucified and then He will exalt him in His presence.
    These verses which relate to the fate of Jesus at the hands of his people will invariably yield this meaning to their reader provided he knows the practice of Allah to which He resorts for the protection of His prophets at the time of the aggression of enemies, and provided his mind is free from all those fictitious reports that can in no case be placed as an authority over the Holy Qur’an. Now, I cannot understand how the snatching of Jesus from the hands of his enemies and lifting him up to the heavens can be called a subtle plan and a better one when neither was it in their power nor in the power of anybody else to counter it. In fact, there can be one “plan” (makr) as against another plan when it is contrived in a parallel manner not deviating from the natural course of Allah in such matters. We have a parallel instance in what is said by the Qur’an with respect of the Holy Prophet:


    • I haven’t read a word of what you have written because your point of discussion is totally superfluous. I now know that you are a follower of Ghamidi, who in fact has been a fast friend of my father since early teenage so I know quite a lot about him than you do (Well may be).
      He himself has said that the first book of Hadith, Muatta Imam Malik dosn’t have it yet Bukhari Sharif and Muslim Sharif have it.One more thing to Add to your knowlege that there is an authentic Hadith about it in Mishkaat Sharif too. Anyway I wouldn’t waste my time arguing with you as Ulama have already given sufficient answers for the same. Why doesn’t your mentor ever sit face to face with Ulama to discuss and prove his beliefs? For your information, the word Mullah was a title of honour before your original mentors, the british came here and made each and everything, which was a pride for muslims, a matter of disgrace. From distorting their history to changing the official language and degrading their higher ranks….to …whatever they could even forming new cults in Islam which were not poewrful enough before they got their eyes upon them. One more thing for your information, Salahuddin Ayyubi had the same beliefs which you are trying to deny and he was the biggest threat to the secret cults of satan according to those people themselves so they planned is this way to weaken us from inside, the rest you might know if you ever had tried to explore original history.


      • One of the prime differences between the Muslims and the new Christians,(Not the real ones) which according to all their researchers are the sun worshippers actually; were
        1-They didn’t accept Muhammad SAW as the Prophet of Allah.
        2-They claimed that Hazrat Isaa AS had passed away actually.
        3-Belief in trinity.

        Aren’t you projecting the sun-worshipping cult’s point of view while saying it all?
        Another thing that I would like to point out here is the language we use about the Prophets AS and the ones near to Allah should not be as if we are talking about an ordinary person like me. If somebody says it to anyone upon the death of his father, “Tumhara baap Mar gaya hai”, it would sound really impudent and there might be a conflict between the two of them depending upon the love of the person with his father.
        Another version of this is, “Tumharay vaaalid Sahab Wafat paa chukay hain”, which could be traslated as, “Your father has passed away”. So the difference of language is really important. You should be careful enough that they were not ordinary people like us, otherwise they wouldn’t have had been Prophets A.S of Allah.Please dont start another debate upon this (Be my guest if you want to).
        May Allah provide me, you and all of us with the wisdom to think the right way.


    • @Aman

      I think you didn’t read any link which I provided otherwise you didn’t post large text from Lahori Qadiyani group who already declared non-Muslims by majority of Islamic scholars across the world.

      I am also reading articles about second coming of Jesus (as) and Mahdi for last 10 years including articles of your group (marzai) and I concluded that it is most logical that Jesus (pbuh) is alive and will come again. He will marry and will die just like other prophets (pbut).

      More from http://www.islamicity.com :—-

      Muslims believe in the Second Coming of Jesus, but our belief in his Second Coming is less dramatic than the way portrayed by the Christian fundamentalists. Our Jesus at the end of time is not coming for Armageddon war or destruction of the world; he is more loving and peaceful than what those Christian fundamentalists claim.

      The Second Coming of Jesus is clearly established from the Qur’an and authentic Sunnah. We Muslims should not have any doubt about this matter. The Prophetic Hadiths make it very clear that:

      1- Jesus will descend (yanzil) and will not be born. Thus any one who will be born and will grow up in front of the eyes of his contemporaries and then will claim that he is the Promised Masih, will be misusing these Hadiths and misleading the people.

      2- Jesus’ coming will be “a sign of the approaching Day of Judgment”. If any one made a claim of being the Masih, while the portents of the Day of Judgment in which Jesus will appear did approach, neither in his life nor soon after him, then it is proved that he was a false pretender and not a true Messiah.

      3- Jesus will not come to add or subtract anything from Islam. He will not claim himself to be a new Prophet or Messenger. He will not even lead a prayer of Muslims, he will follow in prayers the Ameer or Imam of Muslims. If any one claimed to be the Messiah and led the prayers of Muslims then that person, according to the Hadiths, will not be a true Masih.

      4- Jesus will be a just judge. He will make right judgment between the truth and falsehood. He will break the cross, kill the pig and will remove the Jizyah. This means that he will correct the false doctrines and beliefs that are spread about him and about his teachings among his followers and many of them will follow him and thus the followers of the Prophet Muhammad and Prophet Jesus, peace and blessings be upon both of them, will be united into one Ummah and there will be no need for Jizyah.

      5- Jesus will fight the Dajjal and will kill him near Jerusalem. He will not say that Qital or fighting is abolished and is not necessary any more.


  22. Awsome
    I think it needs to spread
    its a pity tht a music video gets so popular while things like these are ignored!!


  23. Its a pity that none of you bothered to read what was presented.

    Thats the dilemma of Pakistan when people like you without any independent thought and inquiry spreads their dogmas.

    For Muslims Jesus (pbuh) is dead. he is not the last prophet. Last prophet is Muhammad (pbuh) and he is dead.

    There is no other prophet after him.

    Quran is quite clear on it. Even hadith

    A careful reading of the hadith will further support this interpretation of the slaughter of Dajjal. Several hadith contain such words as these:

    When he (Dajjal) makes his appearance and I am in your midst, I will overpower him by arguments; and if, when he makes his appearance, I am not in your midst, every one should argue with him (Kanz al-`Ummal Vol. 7, No. 2076.).

    In another hadith it is said:

    So when he makes his appearance and I am in your midst, I will overpower him with arguments on behalf of every Muslim; but if he appears after me, every one should argue with him on his own behalf (Ibid., No. 2025, 2079.)

    These reports clearly show that if Dajjal had appeared in the life-time of the Holy Prophet, he would have silenced him by arguments. This shows that killing in this case signifies putting an end to Dajjal’s mischief, and as Dajjal would mislead people by insinuation and by raising doubts in their minds, his mischief could be put to an end only by arguments.

    One on point, at least, hadith are clear and their evidence unanimous. The mischief of Dajjal does not consist in killing people, but in misleading them through doubts and evil suggestions. If such is the mischief of Dajjal, the remedy for it should be of a similar nature.

    he did not ask his followers to wait for a dead israelite prophet. he has given us the solution to tackle with the threat of Dajjal.

    But ignorant like you would insist on Church dogmas instead of correcting it. you are the victims of Dajjal – pity indeed.


    • Sister Amna, instead of feeling pity, I strongly suggest you pause for a minute and carry out some self inspection of your beliefs. You ask us to read, but you yourself, have closed your mind to the counter thoughts presented here. How do I know this? Because you failed to present a single counter argument. The hadith that you have quoted explains just one aspect of the Dajjal, its asks Muslims to be ready for counter arguments with the Dajjal. Thats it. How can you base your claim that Jesus is dead based on just this aspect?
      You clearly have a very weak understanding of the mission of Dajjal in this world. His mission is not just creating doubts, his mission is much greater than that. His mission is to specifically deceive the Jews into believeing that he is the Messiah, and also to deceieve the public in general.
      Lets assume for a second that Dajjal can be ‘killed’ with counter arguments. You and your teachers have been arguing for how many years? Have you successfully ‘killed’ Dajjal?
      Stop ignoring the facts and stop twisting and choosing Ahadith to justify your points. You cannot quote Ahadith individually and come to a conclusion, you have to put all the related Ahadith and put them together to perform some sort of analysis. I suggest you collect all the Ahadith related to the subject of Dajjal, and have a closer look at them in their entirety.


    • I didn’t bother because I already know this theory and have also pointed out that Ulama have taken care of such theories in a very good way. I just wonder why are you so offended which reflects in your style of writing. Is it because none of us here have given you the importance which in your opinion, you deserved? or is it because your comments didn’t create the stir which you expected? Aren’t hadiths in Bukhari, Muslim and Mishkaat sufficient for you or is it that you would only accept whatever defines your point of view? Imtiaz is right that instead of feeling pity, you should try to think in other ways too rather following anyone blindly and then claiming that you people dont follow anyone and the followers of Aimma e Karam are blindfolded. I would humbly tell you another thing too i.e. your comments were really offensive and showed your frustration yet I am glad no one responded in the same way.
      Also seems like you too didn’t bother to read anything which I and fellow brethren had written. Aren’t you exibiting the idea of the zionists who say that the only Messiah that has to come is dajjal and not Jesus A.S. He wouldn’t return.
      I also asked you to be a bit respectful while mentioning the passing away or anyone more pious than us. Using better words rather using ordinary words. You would say that the words are used like this in Quran. In Quran, Allah has used these words and Allah can say whatever he wants to but this doesn’t give us to right to use words like these. Ohterwise Sihaba R.A would never have had used words like “Mere maan baap aap per qurban” before speaking to Hazrat Muhammad SAW and also the ayat where it has been clearly told that even speaking in a loud voice in the presence of Muhammad SAW can ruin all the good deeds of a life time in a second. These and many other occasions prove that the Prophets of Allah and the pious people should be called with respect.
      May Allah give you and all of us the ability to think the right way.


  24. 3- Jesus will not come to add or subtract anything from Islam. He will not claim himself to be a new Prophet or Messenger. He will not even lead a prayer of Muslims, he will follow in prayers the Ameer or Imam of Muslims. If any one claimed to be the Messiah and led the prayers of Muslims then that person, according to the Hadiths, will not be a true Masih.

    the point is that if he is to die after prophet Muhammad (pbuh) then technically he is the last prophet – only an ignorant of Quran can insist on such stupidity or a blind follower of Church’s dogmas


    • Answer this question:
      For all the prophets sent to all the different people, all nations were destroyed, annihalated by Allah when they rejected the prophets sent to them. The Jews rejected Jesus, why are they still around? The Christians distorted his message and as such rejected him. Why are they still around? Why didnt Allah destroy them as he had done with previous nations?
      Think about it and let me know. The answer to this question makes Jesus’ return logical.


    • Don’t judge Quran on basis of Newtonian (classic) Physics. If companions of cave can sleep for centuries and can travel into time then why not a Prophet lives in heaven alive? Prophet Adam (pbuh) and mother Eve also lived in heaven with their physical bodies.

      If you die before your elder sister then who is the youngest child of your parent? You will remain youngest. Similarly prophet hood has finished on Prophet Muhammad (saw) and if Jesus (pbuh) die later then it does not mean he is the last Prophet.


      • you are right, her whole argument is based on very weak and sometimes no logic at all. Let alone, very little support from scripture.


  25. “If you die before your elder sister then who is the youngest child of your parent? You will remain youngest. Similarly prophet hood has finished on Prophet Muhammad (saw) and if Jesus (pbuh) die later then it does not mean he is the last Prophet.”

    this is called logic? 🙂

    If my elder sister dies before me then who is the last one to die among my parents’ children, if they have two children?

    who has questioned the “rank\order” of prophets the question is about the order of their deaths – last dying prophet can only be called “The Last prophet”.

    as i said before only the ignorant and blind followers of Ulemma su can have this opinion – not somone who has studied Quran.

    what do you have to say about this verse and a reader of Quran knows that there are plenty of verses which procalim all previous prophets to be dead.

    3:144 And Muhammad is only a Messenger. Verily, “all Messengers have passed away before him.” If then he die or be slain, will you turn back on your heels? And he who turns back on his heels shall not harm Allah at all. And Allah will certainly reward the grateful.

    While this verse lays stress on the essential truth of Islam, it served another important purpose at the death of the Prophet. Some of the companions thought that the Prophet was not dead. Abu Bakr went in, and seeing that life had departed, ascended the pulpit and read this verse, which had a magical effect upon his hearers, all of them being convinced that the Prophet had passed away, as all prophets had passed away before him. The prophets were but mortals, and their span of mortal life must no doubt terminate like that of other mortals. This verse affords a conclusive proof that Jesus Christ was also dead; otherwise Abu Bakr’s argument could not have silenced the doubters of the Prophet’s death.

    study Quran, make an opinion and then speak about it instead of repeating like a parrot what “dr israr” might have to say.

    There is “no old and new” prophet after Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).


    • WOW, and that surely is logic. The verse refers to Muhammad’s (PBUH) death, not to Jesus AS death, how does the event of Muhammad’s (PBUH) death prove that Jesus AS is dead also? stop putting words in Allah’s mouth. I am almost certain that you have not studied the Quran as you claim to. These are just typical teachings from the writings of Mirza Qadian and the likes. Can you please attempt to answer the question that I asked previously?


    • and please stop being arrogant by calling others ignorant and blind, someone who has studied the Quran will never be this arrogant!
      tc


    • You twisted my logic as you twisted Holy verses. Designation of prophet hood is appointed at time of birth/life not at time of death. Prophet Jesus (as) will be descended. He (as) will not born again. He will be ummati of Prophet Muhammad (saw).

      You twisted the verse 2:141. Here is English translation of Ibn Kathir who was born in the city of Busra in 701 H.

      (139. Say (O Muhammad to the Jews and Christians), “Dispute you with us about Allah while He is our Lord and your Lord And we are to be rewarded for our deeds and you for your deeds. And we are sincere to Him (i.e. we worship Him alone and none else, and we obey His orders).”) (140. Or say you that Ibrahim, Isma`il, Ishaq, Ya`qub and Al-Asbat, were Jews or Christians Say, “Do you know better or does Allah And who is more unjust than he who conceals the testimony he has from Allah And Allah is not unaware of what you do.”) (141. That was a “NATION” who has passed away. They shall receive the reward of what they earned, and you of what you earn. And you will not be asked of what they used to do.)

      First of all Prophet Jesus (as) is not mentioned in Ayat 140 and word “ommatun” is used in Ayat 141 whose meaning is nation not prophets.

      Tilka ommatun qad khalat laha ma kasabat walakum ma kasabtum wala tusaloona AAamma kanoo yaAAmaloona

      Similarly you twisted ayat 3:144. You put “All Messengers”. Actual translation is…

      3:144 Muhammad is no more than an apostle: MANY Were the apostle that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah. but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.

      Wama muhammadun “illa rasoolun qad khalat min qablihi alrrusulu” afain mata aw qutila inqalabtum AAala aAAqabikum waman yanqalib AAala AAaqibayhi falan yadurra Allaha shayan wasayajzee Allahu alshshakireena

      Will you put “All Messengers” in ayat 5:75? Same Arabic is used in this ayat…

      Ma almaseehu ibnu maryama “illa rasoolun qad khalat min qablihi alrrusulu” waommuhu siddeeqatun kana yakulani alttaAAama onthur kayfa nubayyinu lahumu alayati thumma onthur anna yufakoona

      5:75 Christ the son of Mary was no more than an apostle; many were the apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!

      If you put “All” here then it meaning will be “all Messengers have passed away before Jesus (as)” including Prophet Muhammad (saw). i.e. Jesus (as) will die after Prophet Muhammad (saw).

      Why you are translating Qad Khalat as dead? See surah 15:13 …

      La yuminoona bihi “waqad khalat” sunnatu alawwaleena

      15:13 That they should not believe in the (Message); but the ways of the ancients have passed away.

      If the ways are dead and not present in the world then how people can believe them?

      You said we should prove second coming of Jesus from Quran and study Quran then I have question for you…

      “According to your website why your Sahib didn’t prove death of Jesus from Quran and found this new information through some kind of revelation? Why he need revelation?”

      “Then came a turning point in the year 1891 when, through Divine inspiration, it came to him that like the rest of the prophets of God, Jesus was also dead…….His NEW idea of Jesus’ death, he knew fully well, would only rouse opposition. In giving it publicity he would be turning his very friends and admirers, the general Muslims, into enemies.”

      http://aaiil.org/text/books/mali/callofislam/reformermujaddiddeathjesusmessiahimammahdidajjalggogmagog.shtml

      You said we are doing parrot talk instead of study Quran.

      In my first post I posted this link having evidences of second coming of Jesus (as) from Holy Quran. (My Arabic, English and Islamic knowledge are weak so I posted only links of scholars)

      http://www.jesuswillreturn.com/s1_3.html
      http://www.jesuswillreturn.com/s1_4.html

      Did you bother to read these links? Have you answers of these evidences?


  26. 🙂

    how did u miss “all Messengers have passed away before him.” from verse?

    3:144 And Muhammad is only a Messenger. Verily, “all Messengers have passed away before him.” If then he die or be slain, will you turn back on your heels? And he who turns back on his heels shall not harm Allah at all. And Allah will certainly reward the grateful.

    when you make a relevant question then i can only answer it.


    • this is why it is said that Quran should be studied in Arabic, the true meaning can only be understood in that way. Following is another translation from Picktall

      3:144 (Picktall) Muhammad is but a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) have passed away before him. Will it be that, when he dieth or is slain, ye will turn back on your heels? He who turneth back doth no hurt to Allah, and Allah will reward the thankful.

      When you read this translation you understand, that Allah is saying Muhammad is merely a prophet just like the many prophets that have passed away before him. Now how does this prove that Jesus AS is dead?

      “when you make a relevant question then i can only answer it.”

      so when you dont have an answer it becomes irrelevant? cool.

      the question i asked was very relevant. If you find the answer to it, you will know why Jesus AS has to come back, to finish his mission. Why this is perfectly logical.


      • 3:144 (Picktall) Muhammad is but a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) have passed away before him. Will it be that, when he dieth or is slain, ye will turn back on your heels? He who turneth back doth no hurt to Allah, and Allah will reward the thankful.

        u better take some classes to improve your english as well. 🙂

        >>>When you read this translation you understand, that Allah is saying Muhammad is merely a prophet just like the many prophets that have passed away before him. Now how does this prove that Jesus AS is dead?

        I can understand English without your help. 🙂

        why are you adding the words “just like the many” in the verse?

        1. Allah did not say “many”.
        2. He has said “Messengers have already passed away before him – if then he dies or killed”.

        MESSENGERS HAVE ALREADY PASSED AWAY BEFORE HIM. Period.

        so was jesus (pbuh) and any other.

        indeed he is the last prophet who has also died.

        why should jesus (pbuh) be excluded from the list of previously dead prophets which have gone before Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)?

        or Dr israr will correct Quran now to suit his stories? 😉

        2:136 Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which has been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them and to Him do we submit.

        2:141 “Those are a people that have passed away”; and for them is what they earned and for you what you earn; and you will not be asked of what they did.

        and this verse

        23:50 And We made the son of Mary and his mother a sign, and We gave them refuge on a lofty ground having meadows and springs.

        Jesus (pbuh) and his mother both were given refuge on earth. The word is “Rabwah” for lofty ground not “janat” heaven.

        don’t tell me that his mother is also alive with him in heavens and both were taken to heaven together with their mortal bodies. 😛

        Dr israr should read Quran and so do you.

        we can’t change Quran to justify the stories – can we?


      • If Jesus(pbuh) was an exception and did not pass away, Allah surely would have mentioned it.

        21:7 We did not send before you (O Muhammad(pbuh)) any but man to whom We sent revelations; therefore you ask the followers of the Reminder if you do not know
        21:8 And We did not give them bodies not taking food and “neither are they abiding ”

        neither are they abiding

        or

        21:7 And We sent not before thee any but men to whom We sent revelation; so ask the followers of the Reminder if you know not.

        21:8 Nor did We give them bodies not eating food, nor did they abide.

        Among other things, the important findings from these verses are:

        (1) All Rasuls were human beings
        (2) Their mortal bodies sustained on food
        (3) They are all dead

        do your homework now.


      • “Allah did not say “many”
        He did not say “All” as well, as you conveniently add. Only in M Asad’s translation the word All is used, Yousuf Ali specifically uses “Many”, and Picktall doesn’t use any of the words but says (the like of whom) which definitely doesnt mean “All”. Whatever the case, you cannot base a big conclusion like that on a difference of translation. Translations can never do justice.
        “I can understand English without your help”
        May be, but can you understand this verse? I think not.
        “we can’t change Quran to justify the stories – can we?”
        I wish you could do what you preach.
        Still no answers to my questions
        You keep coming up with new arguments, each one more twisted than the previous one.
        “Dr israr should read Quran and so do you.”
        Did you mean “Dr Israr should read Quran and so should you”? May be you need some English lessons too. 🙂

        You quoted
        “2:141 “Those are a people that have passed away”; and for them is what they earned and for you what you earn; and you will not be asked of what they did. ”

        And conveniently you skipped the preceding verse which goes as follows:

        “2:140 (Picktall) Or say ye that Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know best, or doth Allah? And who is more unjust than he who hideth a testimony which he hath received from Allah? Allah is not unaware of what ye do.” in continuation of which comes the verse that you quote.

        This is what happens when you quote verses out of context, you can derive any meaning you please, which you and your teachers are doing in this case, and not Dr Israr.

        Still waiting for an answer to my question. I will not waste more time here , until there is some meaningful response.


      • The hypocrite is still lurking here :O

        likes of you are killing innocent for 72 virgins as well and it does not surprise me at all that you can also “abuse” other to get sawab.

        Abusing others is indeed a “good deed” and doing so brings such peace to heart (sawab). This can be the understanding of someone who has not a clue about “doing good” and “earning of peace through good deeds”.

        don’t interfere again. This is not a discussion with you.


      • the post (the hypocrite) is not meant for imtiaz it was for the khan who jsut can’t mind his own business.


    • >>I think you didn’t read any link which I >>provided otherwise you didn’t post large text >>from Lahori Qadiyani group who already declared >>non-Muslims by majority of Islamic scholars >>across the world.

      What an argument. You mean the tafkiris who declare other non muslims and some of them even wage suicide compaigns against Muslims – should be taken seriously?

      On what authority these “so-called Muslim scholars of you” can judge the faith of others? Are they Allah? Or Are they Allah for you to decide who is a muslim and who is not?

      Are you one of the followers of “so-called talibaans” whose favourite hobby is declaring others non Muslims because sensible heads have rejected their nonsence in the name of religion? Wonder why are you doing here with such dangerous views.

      I’ll quote anyone who is making sense and if you had bothered to check you would have found that the article of an eyptian scholar of Al-Azhar was quoted there. you seek an answer to your silly questions with such attitude?

      Besides there was no point to answer your points when you conveniently ignored the detailed answer to your post which misinterpretared the arabic term Rafa. Do you think I have time to correct your fairy tales?

      What is the meanings of Rafa? How can “exalted him in His presence” mean raised him to heaven bodily?

      Quit crying for an answer to your silly questions because even if you are given an answer to your irelevant questions you will keep on whining instead of taking time to understand.

      You have ignored and rejected the testimony of Quran (waiting for your comment on 21:7, 21:8 too ) on death of previous prophets what can be expected further from you.

      … When Allah said: O Jesus, I will cause thee to die and exalt thee in My presence and clear thee of those who disbelieve and make those who follow thee above those who disbelieve to the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, so I shall decide between you concerning that wherein you differ” (The Qur’an, 3 : 52-55)

      I wonder how many verses will be ignored by people like you. What do you understand from the words “I will cause thee to die and exalt thee in My presence”??

      Jesus will be exalted after his death – so if some idiots take exalted – raising up to heaven – then how come he was raised up to heaven without death? Should Allah not cause him to die first?

      >>“Allah did not say “many”
      >>He did not say “All” as well, as you >>conveniently add. Only in M Asad’s translation >>the word All is used, Yousuf Ali specifically >>uses “Many”, and Picktall doesn’t use any of >>the words but says (the like of whom) which >>definitely doesnt mean “All”. Whatever the >>case, you cannot base a big conclusion like >>that on a difference of translation. >>Translations can never do justice.

      Why don’t you check the arabic? That’s why I prefer the translation of Maulana Muhammad Ali.

      3:144 And Muhammad is but a messenger — messengers have already passed away before him. If then he dies or is killed, will you turn back upon your heels? And he who turns back upon his heels will do no harm at all to Allah. And Allah will reward the grateful.

      http://aaiil.org/text/hq/trans/ch3.shtmlhttp://aaiil.org/text/hq/trans/ch3.shtml

      “messengers have already passed away before him” or “Messengers, BEFORE HIM, have already passed away” (does it make sense now?) – does it imply all or some?

      leaves no doubt that any messenger can be alive before him and the subject of the verse is “if then he dies or is killed – “will you turn back on your heels?” – If Jesus (pbuh) is alive then should not the question be – if then he dies or is killed or “raised up to heavens”?? If indeed allah had been “raising prophet\s to heavens”?? Because if any among previous prophets has been raised to heaven, as fools believe, then Allah should mention the thrid option as well- should not He?

      The subject of the verse is “death of a prophet” should not be made an excuse to turn back upon your heels on your religion. Everyone should have enough “brain cells” to comprehend the message of God even without a prophet among them but sadly people like you should tell Allah – we would prefer to wait for a dead israelite prophet to sort out our maters for us. : ) – Should not you be worshipping Allah to sort out your matters instead of worshipping of jesus (pbuh) – this answer was given to Umar (ra) by Abu Bakar (ra).

      “Whoever among you worships Muhammad, Muhammad has indeed died; but whoever worships Allah, Allah lives on for ever, never dies. Allah says: ‘Muhammad is only a messenger; “messengers before him have indeed passed away” …’ (the Quran, 3:144).”
      (Bukhari, Kitab al-Mughazi)

      Was Abu Bakar’s argument wrong if Jesus (pbuh) was alive at that time? this verse is well known to Muslims because

      Quoting

      The Companions’ reaction

      Bukhari records:
      “By God, it was as if the people did not know that God had revealed this verse until Abu Bakr recited it. Then (it was as if) the people had learnt it from him; and whomever one heard, he was reciting this verse (i.e. ‘Muhammad is only a messenger; messengers before him have indeed passed away…’)”
      (Bukhari, Kitab al-Jana’iz)

      Hazrat Umar related:
      “I was so shocked that my feet could not support me and I fell to the ground when I heard him recite it (i.e. the verse) that the Holy Prophet had indeed died.” (ibid., Kitab al-Mughazi)

      Companions agreed on death of all prophets
      Umar’s contention that the Holy Prophet had only gone to visit the Lord, and would be returning, was refuted by Abu Bakr, proving that all previous prophets had died — and consequently also the Holy Prophet. Had Umar or any other companion believed that Jesus was alive in heaven, he would certainly have spoken out against Abu Bakr’s deduction from the verse that all previous prophets were dead. This shows that none of the companions even imagined that Jesus, or any other prophet, was still alive and had not died.

      This incident establishes the companions’ consensus — the first Ijma ‘ after the Holy Prophet — that all prophets are dead. It also disproves any isolated reports ascribed to certain companions that Jesus is alive in heaven, for such odd reports contradict the Quran, the Hadith, and the Ijma‘ of the companions, and must therefore be rejected.

      The Imam of the Age, Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad,
      has written exactly the same:

      “No companion is recorded as denying this argument put forward by Hazrat Abu Bakr which proves the death of all previous prophets. And this despite the fact that all the companions were present there. They were all silent upon hearing the argument. This proves that all the companions agreed on this point; such agreement constitutes conclusive evidence, and cannot be in error.” (Tiryaq al-Qulub, p. 285, Sign no.

      Besides you and your scholars seem to have no regard for “Evidence of the Ijma‘ of the Muslim Nation” as well – would you and your scholars will declare them non Muslims as well? : )

      http://www.muslim.org/islam/deathj-i.htm

      Where does it leave the “group of Ignorant Mullahs and their blind followers” for rejecting Quran, hadith and Ijma?

      for the rest of your post now do your homework first and then bother to waste more space here. off you go.

      1. the subject starts from 2:135 and ends at 2:141 or does the subject starts from 2:140 and end on 2:141 – are you for real? would it no be sensible to just quote the relevant verse for the sake of brevity?
      2. what your dr israr say on 21:7 and 21:8? or should i get your more verses which declare all prophets to be dead?
      3. will you get a single verse from Quran that Jesus (pbuh) was taken to heaven with his body and still alive?


      • Miss I know oh so all! you dont bother answering any of the posts here and keep on cramming your belief because you have been taught the same like a parrot and you dont know how to reason upon it.
        “dun worry i did know what would be the reaction of the ignorant who has never bothered to study the Quran. Unfortunately what they have been taught in the name of Quran has nothing to do with it in most cases.

        what i have said can make sense to the student of Quran alone.”
        WOW WHAT A LANGUAGE. and those smileys hiding your frustration (or may be an attempt for the same)
        “while u wait with ur christian brethern for your messiah – the followers of Quran can and will challenge any attack, distortion and misrepresentation of Quran.

        besides i have no interest in the fairy tales about adam\eve of christians and Jews. it would indeed be a hell of a job to determine the “male gender” of adam from the verses of Quran and any mention of “eve” in arabic text.”
        Wow WHAT A LANGUAGE AGAIN and now you are telling me that you believe in Darwin?
        Anyway I would again ask the same from you to correct yourself and dont call that scum of earth with the title “Sahib”.


      • and please be a muslim first then talk about our religion. When you stop following that scum who died in the toilet, then come talk to us.
        He used the same argument to call himself the messiah and now you are trying to play the same trick.
        Do you know why I’m even replying??? Because I was free and had nothing to you so really having fun reading your posts and then having fun replying them. And also needed to have some SAWAB by calling that person by one of his original titles and remnid all of us, especially you about his EATING HABIT during his last days (Should I post a smiley) and where he went to hell. Anyway I should do something else now. And take some English lessons too (Should I post a smiley here)?


      • Why are you so frustrated, cant you see now that we all are now making fun of you and nothing else.
        O may be because you want us not to kill for 72 virgins but you? Is that the frustration is all about? hahahaha
        No wonder I have always seen that Qadianis offer to get any of their daughters married to someone who coverts along with a visa to uk, germany or the usa. one of my neighbours just got trapped a couple of months back but whatever you say, we wont admit your beauty here.
        Yes abusing that shit eater would really give me sawab.and everybody knows he was one in his last days, i mean literally he was. If abusing of using harsh language is not a “Good deed”, why do you use such language in your posts. And behave or you would get a bad spanking. Ok I am whatever you say but at the least I dont follow a shit eater.
        Oh and you might think you are the authority by typing “dont interfere”????? You are frustrated because I didn’t consider you the big gun you consider yourself to be. Go and eat whatever your false messiah did.I dont care. And as I and Imtiaz said, we would not waste our energies on you now, just wanted to make a bit more fun of you. You had stooped a bit low so I had to respond in the same manner and I’m warning you, if you go below it, you would be sorry, really sorry. You had just ignored me because you didn’t think of me as a potential customer, oops!!! I mean a potential convert and because Imtiaz had been arguing with you, you thought of him as one. He aint gonna buy you either missy, oops! i meant the word convert.

        Anyway its time for iftar, the Islamic Roza, Islam, you know the word na.


      • In 1974, Islamic Scholars from 124 countries of the world met in Makkah al-Mukarramah under the auspecies of Rabita al-Alam al-Islami. They passed a unanimous resolution declaring Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani and his followers (Ahmadiyya Movement/Qadianis/Ahmadis/Mirzais/Lahoris) APOSTATEs, KAFIRs and OUT of the FOLD of ISLAM. For the last 100 years all religious scholares of MAKKAH al- MUKARRAMAH, al MADINAH al MUNAWWARAH, EGYPT, INDO-PAKISTAN and all ARAB & MUSLIM COUNTRIES have been united in their stand in declaring them Apostates, Kafirs and
        out of the fold of Islam.

        Taliban were not existed in 1974 🙂

        Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is declared kafir for claiming of prophet hood not for denying second coming of Jesus (as). Ghamdi sahib and other Islamic scholars also denied second coming of Jesus (as). They are not kafir because second coming of Jesus (as) which is not part of Islamic belief.

        I’ll not call you kafir or hypocrite as Islam doesn’t allow me to call kafir or hypocrite to anyone. Also as you believe that Prophet Muhammad (saw) is last and final Prophet and Mirza sahib is not Prophet/Messenger of Allah so how I can call you Kafir? You don’t consider Jesus (as) as Masiha of Last Days then surly you will not consider Mirza sahib as Masiha. You (lahori group) consider him as only Mujaddid but problem is only few followers of Mirza sahib consider him Mujaddid. His all successors and majority of followers consider him as Prophet and Masiha because of all books which are associated with him. I don’t know the truth about him. Only Allah knows. So I’ll not consider any material valid associated with him.


      • “In 1974, Islamic Scholars from 124 countries of the world met in Makkah al-Mukarramah under the auspecies of Rabita al-Alam al-Islami. They passed a unanimous resolution declaring Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani and his followers (Ahmadiyya Movement/Qadianis/Ahmadis/Mirzais/Lahoris) APOSTATEs, KAFIRs and OUT of the FOLD of ISLAM. For the last 100 years all religious scholares of MAKKAH al- MUKARRAMAH, al MADINAH al MUNAWWARAH, EGYPT, INDO-PAKISTAN and all ARAB & MUSLIM COUNTRIES have been united in their stand in declaring them Apostates, Kafirs and
        out of the fold of Islam.

        Taliban were not existed in 1974 ”

        “Talibaan” is the term for “extremists” and such rigid and extremist Mullahs, the likes of whom killed Imam Ahmad Hanbal for saying ana-al-Haq did exist from time imemorial.

        What is the “credibility” of fatwa from the “zionists rulers” of saudia and their appointed mullahs?

        What is the status of Pakistani mullahs who also issued a fatwa of kufr against Quaid-e-azam and Pakistan?

        This seems to be the favourite hobby of those who has no knowledge of Quran and Islam.

        None has authroity to declare anyone a non muslim. Prophet’s practice with the hypocrites of his time is well known – they were only termed munafiqeen when Allah made it known to prophet through revelation.

        Does this group of Mullahs have any such evidence and authority?

        those who declared him a kafir are also declared kafir by others.

        Ironically the same Supreme Court which declared others non muslims was also declared non islamic by the talibaan of TTP.

        None can escape Allah’s Justice.

        “Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is declared kafir for claiming of prophet hood not for denying second coming of Jesus (as).”

        Do you even know the meanings of Kafir or kufr?

        This is just an accusation against him and can easily be proved wrong in any fair and just court. don’t we know what happened with Mansoor “hilaaj” for saying Ana-al-Haq? this language of love can’t be understood by ignorant.

        “Ghamdi sahib and other Islamic scholars also denied second coming of Jesus (as). ”

        anyone who knows Quran – will deny.

        anyone who has no idea about the Quran would happily follow the church’s fairy tales of Jesus (pbuh) and their mullahs who have distorted the verses of quran to justify the dogma’s of church.

        This menace of chucrh and their mullahs is not hidden from genuine seekers of the truth.

        “They are not kafir because second coming of Jesus (as) which is not part of Islamic belief.”

        Kafir\kufr has nothing to do with it.

        There are those who are waiting for an “old” prophet after prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as well. they do not understand what is meant by the “seal of prophethood” and prophet’s own words “La nabi Badi” (there is no prophet after me).

        does their denial of finality of prophethood make them a kafir? They are the ones who have no knowledge of the 5 principles of Islamic faith.

        believe in “finality of prophethood” is not a principle of Islamic faith.

        “I’ll not call you kafir or hypocrite as Islam doesn’t allow me to call kafir or hypocrite to anyone. ”

        to call an evil doer a kafir and to call someone with double standards a hypocrite is the correct use of words – i have not use it in the “religious sense” ever.

        anyone who lied, did an evil deed practically diblief in Allah and become guilty of kufr.

        “Also as you believe that Prophet Muhammad (saw) is last and final Prophet and Mirza sahib is not Prophet/Messenger of Allah so how I can call you Kafir?”

        There is “no old and new” prophet after the last prophet. Period.

        I consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib a true genius and man of Allah of his time.

        His command over arabic language and how he understood Quran is just awesome – especially what he has written about Sura Fateha and 4 chief attributes of Allah – prayers and fana, Baqa and liqa – three spiritual stages – how he has uprooted the Christian faith which is based on jesus dying for sins, ancession etc . he truly deserve the rank of an imam – a great Muslim reformer who brought out the beauty for quran for us again.

        as i said early “kufr” has nothing to do with admiring someone for his knowledge of Quran. and declaring prophet Muhammad (pbuh) the last prophet.

        ” You don’t consider Jesus (as) as Masiha of Last Days then surly you will not consider Mirza sahib as Masiha.”

        I consider Mirza Ghulam ahmad sahib the promised Messiah and i do not consider this prophecy was meant for Jesus (pbuh), a dead israelite prophet. Since all prophets are Muslims and followers of one religion that is Islam – Jesus (pbuh) did what he can for Islam in his time. he is dead now.

        ” You (lahori group) consider him as only Mujaddid but problem is only few followers of Mirza sahib consider him Mujaddid. ”

        I am neither lahori nor other. I am just stating what i have found out.

        This is not a right argument. The question is what he was in his own writing. we donot take others’ opinion on Quran i.e. it is hostile for women and intolerant religion etc – the western propaganda – do we? do their opinions make Quran hostile to women?

        “His all successors and majority of followers consider him as Prophet and Masiha because of all books which are associated with him. I don’t know the truth about him. Only Allah knows. So I’ll not consider any material valid associated with him.”

        thats true!

        it is the same practice with all “followers” – serving this and that prophet or saint and associating lies to him which he never claimed.

        This verse sums up well

        3:79 It is not meet for a mortal that Allah should give him the Book and the judgment and the prophethood, then he should say to men: Be my servants besides Allah’s; but (he would say): Be worshippers of the Lord because you teach the Book and because you study (it);


      • @Aman

        Still you didn’t give answers of evidences of second coming raised in links provided by me.

        I don’t want to discuss Mirza Sahib. He is past. Allah will judge him and also us.

        In next few years we will see Jesus (pbuh) and at that time whoever wouldn’t believe him he/she will be non-believer.


      • >>Still you didn’t give answers of evidences of second coming raised in links provided by me.

        There is no evidence besides Quran, the word of Allah – Jesus is dead according to Quran. I believe in it.

        read the verses which i have quoted.

        the 2nd coming of Jesus is a prophecy and it means coming of someone at the time when religion has lost his soul. like Jeusus (pbuh) came for jews when religion had become a mere ritual for them. same is the case with present day Muslims. I am ready to bet that not even 1% know why they should believe in Allah. 🙂 and they even do not know the 5 principles of their faith.

        you need evidence ? one of the 5 principles is to believe in previous revelations than Quran (but Quran is guardian over it) right? that includes revelation to Jesus (pbuh) as well.

        If he had to come again then how come what is revealed to a prophet will be termed as “previous”??? the verse i have quoted in previous post and numerous others in Quran state that a prophet is given revelation i.e. a Book.

        this wrong belief is a serious challenge to the principles of Islamic faith and claims of Quran as the final Book for the whole world.

        It is against the attributes of Allah mentioned in quran.

        do i need any evidence against the testimony of Quran and Islamic faith? No i do not need any evidence. I can reject any such belief which is agaisnt my faith.

        >>I don’t want to discuss Mirza Sahib. He >>is past. Allah will judge him and also >>us.

        for such people there is no past future – they are above limits of time – prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is not past what he has said ages before is still relevant.

        read Jalal ud Din Rumi – his words speak directly to us even now.

        >>In next few years we will see Jesus
        >>(pbuh) and at that time whoever >>wouldn’t believe him he/she will be non->>believer.

        many generations in west and many ignorant ones among Muslims have already passed away in hope of such an event.

        many among jews are also waiting for Elias (if i am not wrong which they consider to be still alive in heavens) and rejected Jesus (pbuh) who was their elias.

        it is interesting how such absurd theories live on for centuries for some.

        if you want to be one of them – its your choice.

        else study Quran with an open and critical mind.

        there is no next coming of a dead Israelite prophet Jesus (pbuh) – the islamic prophecy is for someone who will breath soul into islam again for Muslims like Jesus (pbuh) revived the religion for jews in his time.


      • Still you didn’t give answers. In links all evidences are according to Holy Quran. Only criticizing others. If we are parrot then you are a crow.

        I never posted any hadith because I knew you will say these hadiths are week or fabricated. Here are some hadiths from Muslim, Ibn Majah and Bukhari…

        Jesus (as), son of Mary, will definitely descend as a just judge and a just ruler. (Imam Nawawi, Commentary on Sahih Muslim)

        Doomsday will not take place until Jesus, son of Maryam, (as) comes as a fair ruler and a just imam. (Sunan Ibn Majah)

        By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, the son of Maryam (Jesus [as]) will shortly descend among you people as a just ruler. (Sahih Bukhari)

        There is no prophet between him (Jesus [as]) and me. He will certainly descend. Recognise him when you see him. He is of medium height, of a reddish white color. He will wear two sets of yellow dyed clothing. Water will fall from his hair even if it does not rain. He will fight with people for Islam. He will slay the Antichrist and then remain for exactly forty years on Earth. Then he will die, and Muslims will perform the prayers for him. (Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim)

        What will you do when the son of Maryam (as) descends among you and leads as one amongst you? (Sahih Muslim)

        Jesus, son of Maryam, (as) will then descend and their [the Muslims’] commander will invite him to come and lead them in prayer. But he will say: “No, some among you are commanders over some [among you.]” (Sahih Muslim)

        Abu Hanifa, the founder of the Hanafi legal school. In the final chapter of his book Al-Fiqh al-Akbar, Abu Hanifa states:

        The emergence of the Antichrist and of Gog and Magog is a reality; the rising of the Sun in the west is a reality; the descent of Jesus, upon whom be peace, from the heavens is a reality; and all of the other signs of the Day of Resurrection, as contained in the authentic traditions, are established realities.

        http://www.harunyahya.com/jesuswillreturn05.php

        http://www.hyahya.org/books/faith/did_not_die/jesus_did_not_die_07.php


  27. “I haven’t read a word of what you have written because your point of discussion is totally superfluous. I now know that you are a follower of Ghamidi, who in fact has been a fast friend of my father since early teenage so I know quite a lot about him than you do (Well may be).”

    do you think i would have bothered to take u seriously after reading ur above post? so save ur breath – apply ur lectures to urself first – such hypocrisy!

    ~

    Your Quran could be the “understanding of ur fav scholars” but that is not the case for me.

    dun worry i did know what would be the reaction of the ignorant who has never bothered to study the Quran. Unfortunately what they have been taught in the name of Quran has nothing to do with it in most cases.

    what i have said can make sense to the student of Quran alone. 🙂

    2:136 Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which has been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them and to Him do we submit.

    2:141 “Those are a people that have passed away”; and for them is what they earned and for you what you earn; and you will not be asked of what they did.

    “Those are a people that have passed away” – Mullahs should correct Allah now for proclaiming all previous prophets to be dead 🙂

    while u wait with ur christian brethern for your messiah – the followers of Quran can and will challenge any attack, distortion and misrepresentation of Quran.

    besides i have no interest in the fairy tales about adam\eve of christians and Jews. it would indeed be a hell of a job to determine the “male gender” of adam from the verses of Quran and any mention of “eve” in arabic text. 🙂

    the only advice for u could be start studying Quran.


  28. you are right that someone who has studied Quran will not be arrogant but what to do when you are dragged into a discussion with those who are not reading your posts but commenting on it? what should be the reply for such?

    who are more interested to know your “sect” or “establishing your relation with Ghamidi or Mirza Ghulam Ahamd Sahib” instead of investigating the matter first by studying Quran thoroughly with understanding of arabic terms?

    I just expressed my opinion on the article as it is mentioned that it is the work of researchers – they should not attribute to Quran what is not in it.


  29. Calling ghulam Ahmed Qadyani with the title Sahib clears it all Amna, Thank you for participating in this discussion but now I and we all know who you are representing. Qadyani religion was formed just because the Englishmen wanted the spirit of fighting back, DEAD. So you are claiming that you know old arabic better than Imaam Abu Hanifa, Imam Malik, Imam Abu Yousaf and all of them? Its not the new arabic we are talking about, its the old arabic language. Your rigid behaviours should have stated it all in the beginning yet it took me some time to realize your beliefs. And also you didn’t reply to any one of my posts rather tried to run around helter skelter by posting your point of view again and again without any rebuttle to even one of the questions arose by all of us.
    And for your so called “Sahib”, we have very good words in our language, I wouldn’t type them here though as many of my sisters and brothers must be reading these comments regularly.(you must have got the idea though, samajh to aap gayee hongi). Stop trying to invade our thoughts like you people generally try to.Run away. hushhh….
    Brothers no need to reply her now as she has clearly mentioned her beliefs by calling that “…….” with the title of Sahib.


  30. Mirza Tamojan Khan, I think its pretty clear now, what we are dealing with, I suggest we follow your advice, and ignore Miss Amna Qadiani here. Its much better, she keeps coming with new verses with new interpretations but never answers the questions posed in response of them. Quite unproductive, I wonder why she ever entered the discussion if she didnt want to learn. Oh well, 999 out of 1000 will be followers of Dajjal.
    I am outta here!


    • bilkul sir.
      We should not waste our energy here. Our duty was to try and the rest is with Allah. We tried (Actually I did nothing in comparison to what you did and kept on trying to make her understand).
      May Allah shower his blessing upon you for it; And us all.
      May Allah give us more knowledge from his treasures of it.
      Thank you once again.
      Salam


  31. The Freemasons and Ahmediyya Connection

    http://www.cephasministry.com/nwo_maitraya_freemasonry.html


    • Some Muslim scholars who studied Buddhist texts believe that Maitreya is “Rahmatu lil-‘alameen” (Mercy for The Worlds), which is the name for the prophet Muhammad as it is said in the Qur’an. [5] According to the research on the book Antim Buddha – Maitreya scholars have summarized that Maitreya Buddha is Muhammad.[6] After examining the Buddhist texts researchers concluded that Muhammad had been the last and final awakened Buddha to come into existence long after the current teachings.[7]

      The 19th Century religious reformer, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, is believed in by the members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community (the faith he brought) as fulfilling expectations regarding the Maitreya Buddha. [8]

      Bahá’ís believe that Bahá’u’lláh is the fulfillment of the prophecy of appearance of Maitreya.[9][10] Bahá’ís believe that the prophecy that Maitreya will usher in a new society of tolerance and love has been fulfilled by Bahá’u’lláh’s teachings on world peace.[9] This view has been of some effect, for example in Vietnam Bahá’u’lláh was identified with the Maitreya.[11] Before the Communist government, the Bahá’í Faith grew in part with the coversion of a number of Buddhist monks.[9] see Bahá’í Faith in Vietnam. The Bahá’í Faith has recently been able to re-register[12] as a religion and there are some signs of large scale growth from the 50s–60s resuming.[9]

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya


  32. btw just adding not doing bahs…..thre is verse in surah yousaf ” Wa Raf3a abwai he 3l-arshi wa kharoo lahoo sujadaa……” raf3a simply means to raise or to bring up as in this case yousaf (as) brings up his father to throne..dont get arabic mingled with urdu…and i guess yousaf as bought his father up to throne with the physical body lolz


  33. The Hadith regarding the descent of Jesus (as) Are “Tawatur”.

    Tawatur: A tradition, which has been handed down by a number of different channels of transmitters or authorities, hence supposedly ruling out the possibility of its having been forged. (Great TUR-DAV Dictionary, 3003)

    Muhammad al-Shawkani said that he had collected 29 hadiths and, when he had recorded them all, he said: “Our hadiths have reached the level of tawatur (reliable), as you can see. With this, we reach the conclusion that the hadiths on the anticipated Hazrat Mahdi (as), the dajjal, and Prophet Jesus’ (as) second coming are mutawatir (genuine).”

    (Sunan Ibn Majah)

    The hadith concerning the descent from the sky to Earth of the Prophet Jesus (as) are “tawatur.”

    (Sahih Muslim, 2/58)

    According to trustworthy reports reaching us from the Messenger of Allah (saas), Allah revealed to the Messenger of Allah (saas) that the Prophet Jesus (as) will descend as a just teacher and judge before Doomsday.

    (Ibn Kathir, Commentary of the Hadith and Qur’an, 13/7163)

    Abu Huraira (r.a) stated: The Messenger of Allah (saas) said: I swear to the One in Whose possession my life lies that, the son of Mary (Jesus) will soon descend among you as a just judge. He will break the cross (abolish worshipping the cross), slay the pig (declare the unlawfulness of eating pork) and lift the jizya [capitation tax]: goods will be so plentiful that none will accept any more.

    (Sahih Muslim, 6/532)

    http://tr1.harunyahya.com/Detail/T/EDCRFV/productId/16194/THE_PROPHET_JESUS_(AS)_AND_HAZRAT_MAHDI_(AS)

    NOT 100 BUT NEARLY 200 SIGNS PROVE THE EMERGENCE OF MAHDI IN THE END TIMES

    http://tr1.harunyahya.com/Detail/T/EDCRFV/productId/17119/NOT_100_BUT_NEARLY_200_SIGNS_PROVE_THE_EMERGENCE_OF_MAHDI_IN_THE_END_TIMES


  34. Khatm-e-Nabuwat, Quran-o-Hadees Ki Roshni Main:

    http://www.tanzeemarchive.org/tanzeemeislami/Khitab%20e%20Juma/2009-07-17DR.ra

    Khatm-e-Nabuwat ki Aqli Daleel:

    http://www.tanzeemarchive.org/tanzeemeislami/Khitab%20e%20Juma/2009-07-24DR.ra


  35. […] The Spiritual War […]



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