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Who is speaking the truth — Pakistan or India?

August 2, 2009

Saturday, August 01, 2009
By Amir Mir

LAHORE: It is statecraft with a dash of magic-realism, rendering impossible for most to distinguish between truth and falsehood, fact and fiction. But the high-voltage, headline-grabbing Indo-Pakistan drama continues: Did Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani hand over a dossier to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh at Sharm-el-Sheikh, Egypt, detailing the role of India in the secessionist movement in Balochistan and terror activities elsewhere in Pakistan? No such dossier has been handed over by Pakistan, Dr Manmohan Singh has insisted, more recently reiterating this line in a debate in Indian Parliament on July 29. However, a fortnight from the Sharm-el-Sheikh meeting, well-informed sources in the Pakistani Foreign Office still insist that a detailed dossier containing evidence of Indian involvement in subversive activities in Balochistan, Swat and Waziristan regions was handed over by Gilani to Dr Singh at Sharm-el-Sheikh. These sources claim the Indian prime minister had assured his counterpart of investigating the Pakistani claims and taking corrective action, if necessary.

They say the evidence of the Indian activities contained in the Pakistani dossier listed the safe houses that Indiaís premier intelligence agency RAW (Research & Analysis Wing) has in Afghanistan, where terrorists are trained and launched for subversive missions in Pakistan. The lengthier part of the dossier dealt with Indiaís link with the insurgents in Balochistan, particularly Brahamdagh Bugti, the rebel grandson of the deceased Baloch nationalist leader Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti and his rebel commanders.

The Pakistani dossier is said to contain documentary evidence of Brahamdagh and his comrades meeting RAW operatives deployed in Afghanistan. The dossier claimed that the Indian consulates in Kandahar and Jalalabad and their embassy in Kabul assist clandestine activities inside Pakistan in general and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata) and Balochistan in particular. The sources say the dossier further mentioned a RAW-funded terrorist training camp in Kandahar, where insurgents belonging to the Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA), particularly those from the Bugti clan, are allegedly trained and provided arms and ammunition for carrying out terrorist activities in Balochistan. Interior ministry sources in Islamabad say Pakistan had expressed concern over the activities of the Indian intelligence agency in Balochistan in the past, but this was for the first time (on July 16, at Sharm-el-Sheikh) that it was encapsulated in a dossier and handed over to India. In fact, while addressing an in-camera sitting of the Senate on April 23, 2009, Interior Minister Rehman Malik had accused India of backing the Balochistan Liberation Army, which is accused of fanning unrest in the province. The prime aim behind the in-camera session of the Upper House was to show members of Parliament that foreign agencies were involved in a concerted conspiracy against Pakistan — especially Balochistan. The state-run news agency Associated Press of Pakistan (APP) – quoted Malik telling the Senate, ìThe BLA was raised and funded by Russia during the Soviet-Afghan war when Pakistan was supporting Afghans and now India is backing its activities…. The BLA remained dormant since the Afghan war ended but it was reactivated after the killing of Akbar Bugti, whose grandson Brahamdagh Bugti, has openly sought Indian support for independence of Balochistan in a recent interviewî. He further claimed in his deposition to the Senate that the Indian consulate in the Iranian city of Zahedan, bordering Balochistan, was involved in financing subversive activities in the troubled province — a charge first made by Christine Fair of RAND Corporation in the Foreign Affairs, an American magazine.

Rehman Malik, subsequently, reiterated these charges in an interview with a French television channel on July 27, saying India was interfering in Balochistan by supplying weapons to terrorists there through Afghanistan, though it was for the first time a Pakistani prime minister had thought it fit to raise it with his Indian counterpart. However, there are those who wonder at the credibility of the Pakistani allegations against Indiaís role in Balochistan, arguing that it makes greater sense for New Delhi to target Punjab or Sindh, the two most important of Pakistani provinces. But Pakistani analysts point out the pertinent fact that Balochistan is replete with mineral resources and with the development of the Gawadar Port, it could prove to be countryís key junction, connecting the rest of the world with Central Asia. It is primarily because of multiple strategic benefits, they further say, that the United States intends to control Balochistan as an independent state, contain China and subdue Iran. Subsequently, they argue, the United States and India are backing Baloch separatists to complete their hidden agenda. Balochistan apart, the sources say the Pakistani dossier also included pictures of several non-Muslims (all of them uncircumcised), who had been killed during the ongoing Pakistani military action in the Swat valley. In addition, proof of Indian involvement in terror financing in Pakistan has also been provided to New Delhi, along with the names of Indian agents who had crossed the border to link up with militants on the Pakistani side of Wagah. In other words, India is accused of not only fishing in troubled waters of Balochistan, but destabilising a large swathe of Pakistan. The dossier reportedly reveals details of the Indian hand in the attacks on the Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore on March 3, 2009 and on the Manawan police training academy attacks. It is claimed that the authorities have identified the RAW operatives who were in touch with the perpetrators of the two terrorist attacks, that proof of their interaction has been attached with the dossier handed over to New Delhi. Some, though, say these claims appear feeble – the Pakistan police had earlier concluded that the attack on the Lankan team was carried out by a sectarian Sunni group, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ), which actually wanted to hijack the bus to seek the release of their arrested chief, Akram Lahori.

The Punjab police had first accused the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) for having carried out the 3/3 attack in Lahore. It seems unlikely, some feel, that India would back an obscurantist Sunni militant group known for its hatred towards India. In the March 30 attack on the Manawan police training academy Capital City Police Officer (CCPO) Lahore Pervaiz Rathore had talked of Indian involvement, claiming that the perpetrators were pro-India Afghans. When his attention was drawn to Baitullah Mehsud claiming responsibility for the Manawan attack, the Lahore police chief had said: ìIt is a well-known fact that Baitullah Mehsud is paid for terrorism and he can do anything for the sake of moneyî. Well-placed Foreign Office sources in Islamabad even claim Pakistan has shared the evidence of the Indian involvement in terrorist activities on its soil with the US Special Envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke and the ISAF chief Lt Gen Mc Chrystal. They added that Pakistan had provided documented and video evidence to them about Indiaís covert links with the Tehrik-e-Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud through its various consulates in Afghanistan. Holbrooke had reportedly assured Pakistan that he would take up the matter with India at the diplomatic level. Therefore, the million-dollar question is — who is speaking the truth — Pakistan or India, Prime Minister Gilani or Prime Minister Singh?

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27 comments

  1. Pakistan has tried all it can in the last six decades, to have its way on Kashmir, but failed.

    Now it has a lot of clean-up work to do, and re-think its policies towards India.

    Under immense international pressure, it has acted against a section of the terrorist outfits.

    But it will soon realize that selective action against Baitullah Mehsud, while protecting Mullah Nazir, Hafiz Gul Bahadur, Jalaluddin Haqqani and gang will not save it from its slide down the slippery slope.

    Balochistan will continue to haunt Pakistan, as long as LET, JEM and other pro-Pak terrorist organizations are protected by the Pak Army and the ISI.


    • @neel 123

      Oh there there ..arent we selective in deciding where to rear our ugly head ? :D..when stories of you burning muslims alive and raping kashmir women show up then you dont feel like comenting. But we are supposed to believe your ugly lies on matters such as this.

      Mullah Omar, jalaluddin haqani and hafiz gul bahadur are our allies. They will be ruling afghanistan sooner than later just like it was before the US came around and then it will be time once again for India to get their ASS kicked by their Masters – us …THe Pakistanis or the MUGHALS …:D 😀

      While you sip on that cow piss and read this remember your armed forces are in such a deep shit and have failed such horribly in producing any weapons that you now have to spend 40 billion dollars to buy this hardware ..

      Pakistan will change its policy on INdia now, we will take it back from your brahman held monopoly and make one big country called pakistan.

      That will solve the problem once and for all.

      All those groups plus the kashmir mujahideen, naxalites groups, khalistan groups independant tamil eelam groups, assamees organizations ..we are going to use all these guys as well to fragment India.

      Did i miss out any ?

      LOL LOL LOL


      • u missed eating camel dung today. thats why u r acting stupid


      • LOL Sal .. Good one …
        Baboon not get back to your medication.


      • @ Sal

        Hahahahaha ….why is it that Indians and their minds always revolve around 4 legged animals. If its not cow piss or shit..its camels ..if its not camels its frogs …if its not frogs its menstruated skunks…why are u infatuated with piss and feces from animals ?

        Can you not grow out of such a mess or are ur minds always in the GUTTER …..lol lol

        and sal after u pull ur head out of the cows ass can u explain everyone here how are u going to get that camels genitals out of ur nostril ….lol lol lol

        hahahahahaha


  2. So much for Mr. Rehman Malik on quoting C.Chritain Fair.

    Here are excerpts from her interview:

    I am fairly confident that every consulate in Zahedan – and I believe Pakistan has one as well – are not issuing a lot of visas. What I actually meant was something relatively innocuous that the Pakistanis picked up, took out of context and blew out of proportion, and that is that competent intelligence agencies cultivate assets. They have listening posts. They are there to gather information.

    How deeply enmeshed are Indian intelligence activities with the separatists in Balochistan?

    I have never gone to any lengths to look at that issue and I do not know anyone who has a line of credible information. I have never insinuated anything other than what I have said to you.

    India has had a longstanding relationship with the Northern Alliance. Pakistanis view the Northern Alliance and its offspring as Indian proxies… When the Northern Alliance was handed the keys to Kabul, despite promises from Washington that that would not happen, that changed the way Islamabad viewed things …. Pakistan has chosen to respond through the support of militancy and terrorism. And since the Pakistanis have done far more nefarious things, they will always assume the worst, because they have actually done worse. Pakistan understands how consulates can be used out of Afghanistan, so it naturally expects the worst out of India when it has these assets in place.

    Another psy-ops that has been spread is that Pakistani agents talk about these mushrooming consulates but there is no truth in that. I think what the Pakistanis do read is that there is a significant number of Indian civilians [in Afghanistan] and they are very sceptical that these are all civilians. Those threat perceptions are reasonable because Pakistan is a neurologically insecure state.


    • @viali

      And what are your views on RAW controlling the India media viali ?

      Are you indians a bunch of angels who dropped from the sky ? or like new born babies who have been washed with milk ?…shall I also hand a tootsie roll over to you for your unparalleled innocence ?

      Is it with this innocence that your rape 13 yeard old kashmiri women ?

      Here let the world see how clean of a people you are :

      https://pakistankakhudahafiz.wordpress.com/2009/07/11/rape-the-one-you-like-laws-are-there-to-cover-up/

      Secondly, India has about 6 consulates in the United States which is its largest trading partner ..but in afghanistan it has 26 consulates all of which were construted in the past 7 years when afghanistan has become the poorest country in the world due to the ongoing NATO/US war.

      Can you explain to the world why do you have 26 …and i mean 26 consulates or shall we say ..Intelligence and Military outposts in Afghanistan ???

      Due you think the world is a fool you son of a bitch ?

      The northern alliance, why dont u also tell the world what kind of people these northern alliance guys are ?

      You Indians are friends and even allied with sodomy practising animals such as the northen alliance ?? What kind of sick bastards do such a wretched thing ??

      http://mostlywater.org/afghanistans_usbacked_childraping_police

      Such a disease can only be contracted by indians who live in filth and dwell in filth and drink cow piss !!!


      • 90% stuff u said are false. u will not find any evidence. i recommend u stop hating indians so much or it will kill u one day


      • @sal

        Oh i really feel threatened SAL like u are so frightening …..hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah …….u dick smacking queer !

        Why dont u first sit on a flag pole and start spinning …..lol lol lol lol

        Then where is 10% of ur proof…let the world see how incorrect we are …but where is ur proof 😀 ..lol ???

        Why dont u explain to us why India has the largest BASTARD COMMUNITY in the world ?…WHY ??? :D…hahahahahaha

        Are u one of them too 😀 …lol lol lol

        What is false that india likes gay sex ?

        Man u cant tolerate a Dalit man with a brahman woman ….and u talk about TOLERANCE …WHY DONT U EXPLAIN TO THE WORLD HOW U TREAT THE SHUDRS AND THE DALITS ?

        COME ON BRING UR PROOF …you yapping up here is not going to proove anything

        Like a grateful subject u shud learn to shut up when u are wrong – which is exactly now !

        You better because when we comeback to rule India guys like u will be the first to be reprimanded – so be very careful – u understand u one balled transvestite !

        Stay in ur limits !


  3. Christain Fair Continued

    Were you surprised at the inclusion of Balochistan in the joint statement that came out of the Manmohan Singh-Yousaf Raza Gilani meeting in Sharm el-Sheikh?

    Yes and no. Given how much the Pakistanis have been wanting so much to find some way of establishing some kind of theory of victimisation, in that sense, no, I am not surprised. But in terms of the on-the-face merits, I was really quite surprised.

    The Pakistan civilian government doesn’t really have any control over any of these policies. In dealing with the Pakistan government one has to wonder what is the civilian government up to and on whose behest are they acting. Pakistanis generally believe that Indians are involved in what is happening in their country. A recent poll in Pakistan found many Pakistanis believe India was behind the Islamabad Marriott and Lahore attacks.

    Also, the Pakistani media is very much manipulated by the ISI. The ISI has very standard operating procedures to plant stories in the media. There have been stories about me as well… I recently learned that I am a neo-conservative with a Zionist agenda!


  4. And so much on circumcision:

    Editorial Daily Times – 18th July
    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009718story_18-7-2009_pg3_1

    Even so government functionaries have been feeding the media this line and most TV channels have come to accept Indian interference as a given without any tangible proof. One TV anchor talking to veteran Indian journalist Kuldip Nayar on Thursday stated that militants killed in Swat were gurkhas of the Indian army because they were found to be uncircumcised (by the way, the Mehsuds are traditionally uncircumcised). This information still has to be tangibly proved inside Pakistan. If however Pakistan is being cautious by not revealing proof and is waiting for an appropriate moment for disclosure, then it may be hurting itself in the interim.


    • @viali

      You are right ..pasting an article that about Gojra which is not in our Tribal Areas but in southern punjab..you surely are a champion for truth ?

      By the way you must know all about non-circumcision right after all you are used to taking a genetial up your whole right ?…LOl lol lol lol

      Isnt this the reason the Indian Supreme Court legalized Gay sex for you ?..lol lol

      Here let the world read how one fine day all you Gay Indian men finally accepted what you have been doing for years …lol lol lol

      http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/HC-verdict-makes-India-127th-country-legalising-gay-sex/484179/


      • gay indians are accepted into the society shows our tolerance. something pakistan will never have


      • @sal

        Oh yeah then why dont u accept a dalit man with a brahman woman ?…What happens to this tolerance then …you can marry ur 7 year old girls off to frogs and u and ur indian buddies can gladly take a dick up ur ass but a dalit or shudr man cant marry a brahman woman ?

        Why dont u shud some light on this humane part of india ?

        Start talking the truth..ur utter garbage doesnt make any sense !..

        Faggot Ass Nugget ……lol lol lol


  5. Pakistan is truthful. India has never accepted Pakistan as country. I m not talking about common Indian. I m talking about their establishment. India has been directly involved in terrorism in Pakistan. the 1971 war was a clear example. It is involved even now through its state resources. while India cries out loud and runs all over the world to gather sympathy for a Mumbai drama, it does not want to accept its involvement in subversive activities in Pakistan.


    • india has accepted pakistan as a country. who told u otherwise?


    • india has accepted pakistan as a country. who told u otherwise? besides even if india did not, who cares? mind ur own buisness 😉


      • @ sal

        No thats wrong sal, didnt ur elders tell you about ur own history. The Mughal Empire. I was the first ruler which started that dynasty and my dynasty led india to the heights or economic, political, and social power it had never seen before and will never see in the future unless I return.

        So although u have accepted pakistan because u have no other choice. We still have to get the rest of pakistan or what u call India back into our fold . Just like old times :D…all that is happening now is going in that direction 😀

        Very soon Radio Pakistan will be broadcasted from New Delhi ..

        Wait for that day !

        😀 😀 😀


  6. Everyone plz ignore Emperor.Babur

    he is dying of a mental disease called “Ihateindia”


    • @ sal

      Yeah which is why we have sal here on a Pakistani forum spreading hatred because i have the “hate india” disease….lol

      Well, this is still better than the Pakistani-cock-in-sal-mouth” disease which sal is suffering through…he cant seem to find a cure elsewhere which is why he comes up here in hopes of finding a cure …….lol lol lol lol


  7. Aatey kahan se hain ye? Unwelcome Indians?
    Pakistan ka matlab kia?
    LA ILAHA ILLALLAH
    Hindustan ka matlab kia?
    Bhar main jaye hum ko kia!

    We Pakistanis damn care about India…but see how these inferiority complex struck hindus visit Pakistani sites. I have a Chinese friend, he also said Indians just want to compare themselves with others.


    • You said that right bro !


  8. @ Pakistani Eatery

    for sal and the rest of the cow stinking bunch

    hahahahahahahahahahahahah……….Those indians must be fuming out through their ass wholes ……………………lol lol lol lol

    Even I wouldnt have been able to comeback with such an Insult ………….LOL LOL LOL


    • did u just graduate from terrorist camp?


      • No, this paki baboon has Masters in making fool of himself and having wet dreams 😀

        Also ALL of his posts have ‘shit/piss’ … this proves he has a FETISH for it

        LOOOOOOL


  9. @Emperor.Baboon

    You said …

    “All those groups plus the kashmir mujahideen, naxalites groups, khalistan groups independant tamil eelam groups, assamees organizations ..we are going to use all these guys as well to fragment India.

    Did i miss out any ?”

    Yes you did you FOOL…

    You missed 25 Terrorist Organizations which Pakistan has been FORCED to declare as Terrorist organizations at last.

    Let me EDUCATE you Baboon about some of these Prestegious paki terrorist groups:-

    JuD
    LeT
    JeM
    Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan
    Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Shariah Muahammadi
    Lashkar-e-Jhangvi
    Al-Akhtar Trust
    Al-Rasheed Trust
    Tehreek-e-Islami
    Islamic Students Movement
    Khair-un-Nisa International Trust
    Islami Tehreek-e-Pakistan
    Lashkar-e-Islam
    Balochistan Liberation Army
    Jamiat-un-Nisar
    Khadam Islam and Millat-e-Islamia Pakistan.

    http://news.in.msn.com/business/article.aspx?cp-documentid=3120105

    LOOOOOOL


  10. @Paki.Baboon

    You said…
    “No thats wrong sal, didnt ur elders tell you about ur own history. The Mughal Empire. I was the first ruler which started that dynasty and my dynasty led india to the heights or economic, political, and social power it had never seen before and will never see in the future unless I return.”

    So he claims he is Babur… reminds me of a mental who was on streets claiming to be Amitabh Bacchan :))

    This baboon is the PERFECT example of a paki poser who is living in dream and unreality and denying the truth.

    😀



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