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Zaid Hamid: Khilafat-e-Rashida | Episode 1

July 20, 2009

In this latest episode by Brasstacks, Zaid Hamid sheds some light on Khilafat-e-Rashida that how it was the greatest form of governance ever by human kind.

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  1. […] (The Pious Caliphate) <– NEW SERIES Episode 1 <– […]


  2. New program but same idiot hostess. Mahrukh I wish if you could learn to shut your mouth for good – let the man speak, he does not need your input – please for heavens sake SHUT UP!


    • Salam ALaikum,

      yes i agree with you wholeheartedly, whats the point of the host (or hostess) if all they do is agree with Zaid Hamid, it would be much better did a solo lyk he does with Yeh Ghazi n Qurun e uula


  3. Hell Borne, fair enough if you do not like the hostess but please show your dislike in a respectful way. Do not be rude; it just reflects your own way of dealing with things you do not like.


    • I agree with Sumayya. And no chauvinism please!!!


      • ooo??? you remember your comments in removed Naimatullah series? 😀 — was it not chauvinism then??? Because they were made by a girl for another girl?


      • Yes it is chauvinism when it comes from you….awwwww it’s so sweet that ur keeping a track of my comments…I’m flattered ;P


  4. And by the way hell Borne..after watching the entire program..I don’t know what u’re talking about. Leave the poor girl alone! she is just doing her job. Her input is perfectly logical and reasonable and she seems like an intelligent person to me.


  5. Excellent Program


  6. I appriciate the way Sumayya rectified the Hell Borne’s comments, yes as a literate Pakistani we should comment specifically, clarifying the negative points only.. and not being personal.

    Although the personality like zaid hamid does not need an anchor to support the program he is versatile enough to give a perfect one man show, still as a hostess of Zaid Hamid’s program a person doesn’t need to give too much input when he is speaking as it breaks the momentum and the disturb the overall plot he is trying to create in the listener’s minds.

    I hope Mahrukh would read this comment and will be taking it as a healthy feedback to her program.. Anyway Good word Brasstacks team.

    Pakistani Nation is with you… Best of Luck..

    Wassalam


  7. Mahrukh is a knowledgeable person but its just the way she gets a bit over zealous at times to get a word in edge wise which makes her a bit annoying. But otherwise, great job Brass tacks team 🙂


  8. On the same subject, listen to Dr. Israr’s “Khutbat-e-Khilafat” and “Islam ka Siyasi Nizaam”


  9. Haha…. now a simple comment turned into chauvinism and then into illiteracy by some literate people… and then a big blast “Mahrukh is a knowledgeable person” great!


    • 🙂 Isn’t life unfair……


      • hahahaha


  10. Insha Allah our only destination that is Khilafa Ya Allah Help us establish juctice and peace on this earth.


  11. i want to know why was Naimatullah series removed?

    eagerly waiting for reply


  12. pakis are same everywhere.. they just need a reason to fight.. with indians or with chinese in uigher, or with americans in afghan or with brits in afghan or anywheree.. if nothing is availble.. bomb urselfes.. ha ha ah ha…


    • Bablu beta why don’t you run off to your own peaceful websites rather than meddling in our “Paki” affairs….. Or do they not want you there either????


      • Hina Dadi/dada… watever.. we dont run speicfic HATE websites/blogs for any other country/nation.. been looking for one and found u my sweet heart… so u talk about meddling in paki affairs..?? ha ha look whos talking.. check the complete blog for urself and u will find an answer.. check it dahling..


      • Bablu merey chanda…really…you don’t have any hate websites..awwwww such wonderful people you are….why don’t you check YouTube my dear and find out the venom you spew against us DAHLING


  13. Hey dude its just one of the many forums propagating the Zaid Hamid words, whatever the reason pkkh has to remove it i dont know but our Leader for now is ZAID HAMID and in recent past ALLAMA IQBAL (The Mysterious).

    Yes you can find it on many others e.g directly on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE1QokIYeyQ

    Lots of love and regards,

    Kamran


  14. I liked this program very much.
    and any one who is against zaid hamid and this program, I think that man is against islam and pakistan.

    What ever zaid hamid has said in this program is, fascinating and very relivant in this so called moderan age.

    And by the help of Allah , that beautiful system of humanity will come back to save this world.

    Pakistan zinda abad


  15. I personally think that the work zaid hamid is doning now is very very good.

    Our country needs these kind of loyal people to represent this brave nation.

    AND all those people who are opposing zaid hamid’s comments are not pakistanies and not even muslims.

    Every muslim should take part in this mission,and they should prey for all the muslims of the world.


  16. What i’m trying to understand is that, is Mr.Zaid Hamid calling for Khilafat to replace the present Kufr’ democratic system as it seems from his talk or is he just highlighting the governance system during Khilafat period?


  17. So far Zaid Hamid has only a referesher capsule on Muslim History. The rot and deterioration set in immmediately after the cessation of Khilafat i Rashida because after that period the Caliphate was strictly along sectaraian lines and had reduced to Mulukiat which is un Islamic.

    Obviously, Muslims today need to practically apply the pristine values of the original Caliphate where the substance must remain but the form will have to be modified to fit in the present day world. Ijtehad towars achieving this objectve is essential.

    2. On the series Zaid Hamid / Naimatullah’s Predictions , I have reviewed all the parts available on the net except for the concluding part post 1971/ future , if there is one.

    Without being cynical , I have the following queries:

    a) Can the existence of such predictions be independently validated? How come this amazingly precise roadmap remained unnoticed so far ?
    b) It establishes that all our so called madressahs and ulemas failed to recognise such powerful asset, if it is true.
    c) The eaxct statistics and details with accurate`names and description make it quite suspect. As if it is a post event effort in verse form. only hindsight can have this 20/20 vision.
    d) Even if this long lost document was first detected in 1851 according to Hamid, what happened after that date. Why was it not publicised thereafter our utilised by our leaders to navigate us through the already forecast troubled waters.
    e) It brings all the efforts of the Quaid or the Independence Movement to naught.
    f)Interestingly the predictions are in Farsi but still escaped the eyes of Iqbal , Ghalib, Sir Syed , Maudoodi
    et al. Naimatullah was more Pakistan/ subcontinent specific rather than Iran itself.
    g) For one Abdul Maabood reportedly dying at an age of 162 years sounds quite far-fetched.
    h)Is all this a big hoax trying to superimpose an agenda on events yet to unfold and preparing the ground for irrational and mediahype like support from the masses ?
    i) Atleast one thing is for sure , the zero tolerance precision predictions attributed to Naimatullah is questionable when no such ‘mojeza’ was conferred on any of the Prophet’s (pbuh ) companions and any muslim since then.

    An objective, unbiased and honest investigation into all this is necessary.


    • Bro excalibure.

      I read the original book of Qaseeda by Hafiz Server Nizami which is the only one and BrassTacks exactly based their program on it word to word (so it is an evidence the same book was used by them).

      In short, the Qaseeda is nothing more than compilation of historical facts available upto 1972 (i.e. the year in which it was written) and if you start reading it from page 1 to onwards, you will find every thing is very detailed even in some cases names of Moghul Emperors are mentioned but as soon as you cross timeline of 1972 – you find QASEEDA DEAD SILENT on futurisitc predictions. Factually, after 1972 Qaseeda directly jumps over to a great battle with Hind (the same thing as mentioned in Ghazwa-e-Hind ahadith) and then it goes on discussing in detail about Dajjal.

      Note that Ghazwa-e-Hind and Dajjal are clearly and most precisely mentioned by Rasool Allah (s.a.w.).

      I wrote to Zaid Hamid that if you want to prove Qaseeda as authentic, then tell me why it is silent from events from 1972 to 2009 why??? Why it skipped everything only to directly discuss Dajjal which we already know through Sahih Ahadith?

      We all know that after 1971 there were so many major events in history of Pakistan, for example:

      1. Ethnic and sectarian riots (shia / sunnia then biggest riots in Karachi during 1985 to 1994) — nothing is mentioned in Qaseeda.

      2. Second major event is ACQUISITION OF A RARE SUPER WEAPON by Pakistan (i.e. Atom Bomb) not a single hint (forget details) not a single hint is mentioned in Qaseeda.

      3. NOthing is mentioned that Pak Army will have to execution operations in Karachi and then nowaday’s operation Rah-e-Raast.

      4. In the Qaseeda, the author resembles Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto (a politician in power during 1971) as Saif-Al-Zulfiqar of Syedna Ali (r.a.) but it does not mention that afterwards corrupt people will become President.

      As of today, I have NOT receive a response from BT people at all – infact they can’t answer.

      I have read Qaseeda in its entirety, if you read, you will NOT find any source or refernce or details that how this 800 years poetry was preserved and to be documented by Mr. Hafiz Nizami in year 1972 (yes, the Qaseeda is dated 1972 in Lahore). Author has not mentioned how he got rhymes (sher) of Naimatullah Wali which were said 800 year ago?

      The main question here is of validity that whether the Qaseeda is really by a Wali or written by a person who knew everything upto 1972 and then being a human, he didn’t knew anything so he skipped everything only to include ahadith of Ghazwa-e-Hind and about Dajjal.

      Our people are very strong in devotion so anything said in name of Wali by any person is likely to be easily believed and same was the case here.

      I am glad PKKH people removed it because it was nothing more than blashphemy and spreading of unverified information which is prohibited and secondly, if you see it from Islamic point of view, it has severe conflicts with teaching of Islam.


      • @Excalibur: (continued).

        I forgot to acknowledge the valid queries you raised in your points from (a) to (i).

        Your points are absolutely valid – even Rasool Allah (s.a.w.) didn’t had ilm-ul-Ghaib, there are many verses in Quran that confirm this fact, e.g:

        “Say: None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghaib (Unseen) except Allah”

        [al-Naml 27:65]

        “Verily, Allah, with Him (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour, He sends down the rain, and knows that which is in the wombs. No person knows what he will earn tomorrow, and no person knows in what land he will die. Verily, Allah is All Knower, All Aware (of things)”

        [Luqmaan 31:34]

        Narrated Ibn Umar: The Prophet (s.a.w.)said, “The keys of the unseen are five and none knows them but Allah: (1) None knows what is in the womb, but Allah: (2) None knows what will happen tomorrow, but Allah; (3) None knows when it will rain, but Allah; (4) None knows where he will die, but Allah (knows that); (5) and none knows when the Hour will be established, but Allah.”

        [Sahih Bukhari, Book #93, Hadith #476]

        Narrated Masruq: Aisha (r.a.) said, “If anyone tells you that Muhammad has seen the unseen, he is a liar, for Allah says: “None has the knowledge of the unseen but Allah.”

        [Sahih Bukhari, Book #93, Hadith #477]

        Despite of this, some devotees still claim that through Kashf, Allah can bestow ilm-ul-Ghaib – which is nothing more than twisted justification by particular sects. Because according to Jayyad Ulema, this is clarified in two categories as:

        1.
        The first kind is “Ilm-ul-ghaib al-mutlaq” that is knowledge of absolute unseen which is only known to Allah s.w.t. and no one in heaven or on earth knows it as mentioned in above quoted verses and ahadith. Any one claiming to know ilm-ul-ghaib is a lair. Following Quranic verse will further clarify this:

        “(He Alone) the All-Knower of the Ghâ’ib (unseen), and He reveals to none His Ghâ’ib (unseen). Except to a Messenger (from mankind) whom He has chosen (He informs him of unseen as much as He likes),” [Al-Jinn 72:26,27]

        2.
        Second kind is knowledge of facts or of SOMETHING THAT IS UNSEEN FROM SOME CREATURES BUT IS KNOWN BY SOME OTHERS. This knowledge Allah s.w.t. may give to his prophets by wahi and in case of chosen people other than Prophets through ilham or kashf.

        NOTE:: I am directly qouting from the document I sent to BrassTacks team:

        ———
        First type should be very clear now that absolute ghaib is not known to anyone in the heaven or on earth. Now, we will clarify second point which relates to Kashf (intuition or finding about unseen). This fatwa explains concept of Kashf in good detail in – however a summary is produced below:

        1. First type is spiritual that happens with Auliya-Allah.

        2. Second type is psychological which happens with both Muslims and non-Muslims.

        3. Third type is satanic that comes through jinn.

        Combining our knowledge of ghaib and kashf, the point should be clear that whatever knowledge Allah s.w.t. gave to Auliya-Allah was through spiritual kashf and pertained to existing facts unseen by some creatures, for example knowledge of what is behind the mountain? What is in the womb of a mother? Or some Muslim army is going to be under attack by Kuffar which was the case of Syedna Umar (r.a.) as narrated above where he was given knowledge of this fact by Allah s.w.t. but he was not given sight of the condition of army nor he saw Army with his eyes awakened or as a dream – same is the opinion of Sheikh al-Albaani and Sheikh Mohammad al-Munajid.
        ——

        The original document sent by me was of 14 pages excluding references of books and fatwa I submitted to them – which remains unanswered. However, someone told me that “Rasool Allah (s.a.w) also told future (he was referring to Dajjal’s details told by Rasool Allah) so telling future is a Sunnah not haram as there is difference words by Waliullah and words by Fortune Teller, so I asked him, how did you established that indeed the Qaseeda is from a Wali and not by Mr. Hafiz Nizami in 1972?

        Wallahualam

        PS: Sorry for long posts – I was silent on many people asking that why it was removed from PKKH but now I felt it should be clarified before people fell into trap of Kufr (i.e. jhoot / lies).

        If you want to read more then, you’re most welcome:

        1.“Kufr in Qaseeda Naimatullah Shah Wali” – Sheikh Anwar Al Awlaki
        http://supportersofshariah.wordpress.com/kufr-in-qaseeda-naimatullah-shah-wali/

        2.Characteristics of Waliullah according to Quran – Sheikh Anwar Al Awlaki
        http://supportersofshariah.wordpress.com/characteristics-of-a-wali-of-allah/

        3.Types of Kashf – Sheikh Mohammad Al Munajjid
        http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/12778/kashf

        4.There is no secret or hidden knowledge in Islam for Awliya or Saints – Sheikh Al Munajjid
        http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/22245/saint

        5.Types of ilm-ul-ghaib – Scholars’ Panel of Islam Web.Com
        http://islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?lang=E&Id=87949&Option=FatwaId

        6.Concept of Auliya, Peer-o-Murshid and Waseelah – G. A. Parwez
        http://www.tolueislam.com/Parwez/articles/peer.htm


  18. Bro Hell Borne

    I appreciate your very prompt and cogent response. Jazak Allah Khair.

    1.In the meantime I managed to get hold of the remaining parts of the series and was appalled to note the blatant ‘bida’at’ continue. The entire series appeared to be similar to the regular plagiarism practised by Bollywood movies unashamedly of original Hollywood scripts. Worse it represents a simple playback of historical facts upto 1972 ,for the reasons you point out, on which the so called Naimatullahs Predictions have been cleverly juxtaposed. This alone should be sufficient for simple minded and unsuspecting Muslims to see the truth of the matter.

    2. In the first two parts of the series Zaid`Hamid repeatedly appeals to the gullible viewers that to enable him piece his research together ,they should forward old manuscripts, bits and pieces of this ‘ancient predictions’ from personal collections and libraries, Strangely though he yet goes ahead and produces the complete series without any problem upto 1972 ( when the book was published in the Punjab )

    3. He also claims that from a total of the original and complete over 2000 verses he posessed only about 200 verses yet he could complete the entire presentation .Or was this a fabrication ?In the preface he had also claimed that the Persian used was highly classical and elevated, what actually came through was pedestrian Persian at best.

    4.Even if his series is accepted as correct on face value alone, may I ask Zaid Hamid to use all his expertise of observation and analysis and see that the ‘ promised leader’ with all the qualifications of military strategy and warfare was not Musharraf personified and all that was happening on his watch. Can he name anyone else other than Musharraf ?
    Quite frankly, we may have missed the bus , then !
    Or is it also Naimatullah’s prediction that the leader has to be from Brass Tacks or from one of the plethora of Madressahs? Or maybe he is not born
    still!.

    5. Zaid` Hamid was unkmown untill recently when he suddenly parachuted on the scene from nowhere It is also possible that he was paradropped by his masters with vested interests and a given agenda. PKKH should immediately run some background checks on him. He may be the proverbial Trojan Horse for a more sinister and far reaching agenda.

    We have to be doubly cautious and vigilant from this ‘ Seige Within’
    Khuda Pakistan ka hami o nasir ho ( Amen )


    • Thanks Excalibur.

      1.
      hmm… no comments 🙂

      2.
      Appeals were indeed made but I am sure nobody sent anything and even if they sent it was nothing more than this book: http://www.scribd.com/doc/15012325/Qaseeda-Naimatullah-Shah-Wali — luckily it is a scanned image of original book so people can’t say that my words are mere false “anti-Zaid Hamid” allegations. I like Zaid Hamid but it has limits, particularly when it comes to Deen. If you read this book top to down, you will spot many Kufriyah and Shirkiyah statements by Mr. Hafiz Nizami in form of unmatched devotion.

      3.
      Actually the number is 248 rhymes out of approximate total of 2,000 — this claim is just a copy and paste in script from a claim in the book. I don’t remember page number but you can find exactly word by word claim in the scan I gave above. Generally, you can match page by page the full script of every episode in series — I have done it for last episode and it was same dot by dot.

      4.
      That’s the issue and due to this, people may disobay the Ameer-ul-Waqt or commander of the time in their blind beliefs. Bhai in short, when things have been foretold by Rasool Allah (s.a.w.) that’s the bottom line – if we are looking for patriotism and rejuvenation of national or jihadi spirit, let’s do a Qaseeda on Surah-e-Tauba or Qaseeda-e-Rasool Allah (s.a.w.) – patriotism shouldn’t be at cost of misguidance.

      5.
      Yes there appears to be some worldly protection by whom and it may not be the case? Only Allah knows the best.

      Any way, we should look at the good points of a person and the job he is doing, at least he is speaking truth which should be appreciated but on the other hand, we should be on guard if he (or any person) tries to deviate in matters of Deen – a message to correct should at least be sent (which I have done) and then it becoms a matter of Allah with that person as we have discharged our duty to forward the message.


  19. @excalibur
    @Hell born

    So finally you both declared that you are from those deviant sects who are issuing Fatwas of Kufuf against the real Mujahid Zaid Hamid.. thanks for declaring that now Pakistani nation can realize you as a traitor…

    I am amazed how can you trust on such Mullas siting in backroom and just know how to issue fatwas??? Ask them to be Man and confront Zaid Hamid as he is leading the Nation from the front…

    You ppl have aleady messed up so much so plz shut up and let the ppl comment on this another wonderful program.

    Yes if you wanna start a constructive discussion as to what can be the practical problem our corrupt politicians can have in meeting with Khilafah and then what can be solutions for those, it will be highly appreciated.

    Regards and Duas,


    • I don’t know where any of us called Zaid Hamid a Kafir??? I assume you were sleeping while reading our comments. Kufr (jhoot) was mentioned for Qaseeda and it is evidenced if you have average knowledge of basics of Islam – you do not need any Mullah to confirm it the kufr in Qaseeda which is not verifiable from any angle.

      Read my comments again where I said we shoud look at good points of a person but also should not forget deen. How do you expect Pakistan to be Castle of Islam (qila-e-Islam) without Islam? Or this Khilafah you are talking about… so cut the crap and lay-off with your fatwa of traitors for us.


      • @ Kamran

        A mature intellectual discourse and discusssion cannot accept a madressah mindset and a blinkered vision that you reflect.
        Please quote where have we issued any fatwas against anyone ? We have the right to challenge any ‘bida’at’ we see and hear .Islam is above all Pirs , Fakirs and Sufis ( Goofys ) whether you like it or not.
        Zaid Hamid is most welcome to defend his position in this very forum, point by point.If he fails to do that , the inference is obvious.
        Why did he not respond to Hell Borne’s earlier query? Lets be truthful and not be ignorant and blind followers under religious frenzy.
        Why don’t you yourself post a pointwise and duly supported/ documented reply instead of getting personal ?
        It is this defeatist attitude and unchecked misuse of the pulpit that has resulted in the Muslim Ummah’s sad decline. Please wakeup before it is too late !
        One of the hallmarks of Islam is that it does not approve or accept the concept of a Theocratic Cadre like the Pope or the Pandit.


      • @ excalibur & @Hell Borne

        First of all. I am getting into this discussion very late to i am not going to answer everyone’s question.

        The meaning of a Peer is “a teacher” and teachers get the highest respect after parents. We all need a teacher for higher level study of Islam.

        Allah has sent his messangers and prophets. After Rasool Allah(PBBUH), that came to an end. But Allah has not left us alone. Sufis, teachers and spritual leaders are sent every now and then to revive the spirit of Islam(Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab have played similar role if not the revival of the spirit on Islam). And for the role they play, they deserve respect. It is simple as that.

        BTW all the sufis and Allah ke bandee direct mankind towards Allah and his Rasool(PBUH) and no one else.

        If u think Islam is going to take over again, Spiritual Islam will have an equal share in it. Its not going to complete without its soul.

        So the message here is to get out of boxed mentality and do not refuse something that u cannot understand yet.

        Also please do not blame us for the decline of Muslim Ummah. There are so many other factors in it. You people create chaos around the world at our cost. Stop it!

        As for Zaid Hamid’s reply to Hell Borne’s question. I have had discussions with Hell Borne and the only reason he writes here is to criticize not learn. It is difficult to discuss anything with this mindset. I am sure Sir Hamid has better things to work on than to get into a war of words.

        I have never seen this kind of criticism towards Arab countries. We in Pakistan allow every one to practice their beliefs and we are paying the price for that. Anyone can stand up and start criticizing us. Kill us in the name of TRUE ISLAM. Never mind what they have achieved. This is unfair and begging to get out of control.

        Respect the surroundings around u OR move to Middle East. I am sure they will welcome u.


  20. @Kamran

    Who’s gonna bring Khilafat in Pakistan?


    • Pakistan is essentially an Islamic Republic Alhamdolillah.

      All we need to ensure is to elect genuine , sincere and honest representatives instead of voting along political, ethnic, firqa lines.

      Paksitan will the reflect the true spirit and essence of the Caliphate, undoubtedly.


      • do we have any in our current political structure, obviously NO’ than from where to elect?

        regards.


  21. @kamran
    Mr kamran if you are not happy with the comments of hell borne and excalibur then counter it with a logical answer.dont pass your stupid comments without logic specially when it is about deen e islam.
    zionists have an agenda to control 3 aspects of our life.politically,economically,and socially.social life is our family system which they are destroying(the other two are already destroyed)by free gender interactions,co education,pornography,and by placing our women in offices working with na mahrams.
    we first need to save our social system then to restore our destroyed economic and political systems.
    why zaid hamid never talked about family system and why he did not asked that the woman should be covered outside and must stay at home without a strong reason.


  22. @kamran
    Mr kamran if you are not happy with the comments of hell borne and excalibur then counter it with a logical answer.dont pass your stupid comments without logic specially when it is about deen e islam.
    zionists have an agenda to control 3 aspects of our life.politically,economically,and socially.social life is our family system which they are destroying(the other two are already destroyed)by free gender interactions,co education,pornography,and by placing our women in offices working with na mahrams.this destroy our moral values and hence reducing respect for woman and finally resulting in collapse of family system resulting in the fatherless babies of west.
    we first need to save our social system then to restore our destroyed economic and political systems.
    why zaid hamid never talked about family system and why he did not asked that the woman should be covered outside and must stay at home without a strong reason.


  23. Dear all concerned
    Why i did not come to you in answer point by point as i already had a long discussion giving huge supportings from Quraan and Sunnah on Ilme Ghaib, Characteristics of a Waliullah and many other on the removed series comments board.. but it seemed useless as there were few guys who loved to just play with words, who without considering the breadth and depth of Quraanic Verses, depicted of having a behavior as of a pre-closed minds to understand the things.

    The Qaseeda Zaid Hamid presented was with an objective to give nation a hope and motivation and not to make us start a war of words over here.

    That’s why i did not come here point by point, and instead asked all to stay united and indulge our self in healthy discussion. Abstain from what the Zionists really want DIVIDE AND RULE… Plz my loving Muslims brother its time to stay united…

    Love you all..


  24. Well said Kamran Bhai… Dear Muslim brother this is the spirit we need. and yes i had also read your comments on removed series that was so convincing… Yes Muslims bro we have to stay united… Kindly watch this clip of Zaid Hamid and watch the rest of series of Iqbal Ka Pakistan for a United Muslim nation…


  25. @Yousuf:
    What a very logical answer you gave – if this is what you learning in Islam, then I am better off not learning it.

    Alhamdilullah, I am satisfied with my learnings and forwarding the message asking “do not spread blasphemous unverified material in name of Auliya Allah”.

    Secondly, when you do not know about a person in full, do not comment on his character.


    • I think it would have been clear that reasoning with u is not going to work. Also i am not interested in it anyway 🙂

      All i at trying to say that because of ur Takfeeri mentality, u lot are cause a chaos in the world in the name of Islam. Then u expect unconditional support from us because u know a few ahadees. You are not warrior material mate. u want us to do it for u. Please take ur understanding of the deen to the middleeast and then declare a war on the world. I would love to see u stand after that.

      As for ur character, the whole forum know who and what ur. I am only highlighting it mate 😉


      • @ Yousuf

        It is quite inappropriate and uncalled for to make personal judgements and pontifications telling people to to go elsewhere ? Why should they ?

        Who is a true Muslim , only Allah Knows.
        Either discuss with cogent reasons and facts or have the capacity and courage to agree with the truth. Islam is not a rocket science that a gaggle of Pirs, Fakirs and the like have a made a commerce out of it creating ‘ bida’at’
        of all sorts in Islam which is a great crime against our pristine Deen .Such shirk can not be allowed at any cost.


      • @ excalibur

        Like i said. discussion with u will be a waste of my precious time. You r what u r and we all know what u r. wether u like it or not.

        Stop wasting our time and go conduct ur war somewhere else.


      • @Yousuf:

        Yet another logical answer from you. Good and keep it up!

        Deny:

        “Say: None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghaib (Unseen) except Allah”
        [al-Naml 27:65]

        Narrated Masruq: Aisha (r.a.) said, “If anyone tells you that Muhammad has seen the unseen, he is a liar, for Allah says: “None has the knowledge of the unseen but Allah.”
        [Sahih Bukhari, Book #93, Hadith #477]

        Logical test of Qaseeda:

        Everything is in very detail upto 1971 but dead silence from 1972 to 2009 and then directly copy paste from Ghazwa-e-Hind ahadith and discussion of Dajjal.

        Result = ??

        Just like every hadith has chain of narration, how did you make sure the Qaseeda is valid or from Wali?

        Is it permissible to forward any information without it being verified? (Put aside all differences as to Kashf, etc.)

        Is it permissible to achieve something good by doing something bad?

        Is it permissible to think of Allah’s help while not following basics of the teachings?

        “Verify before you amplify” — other than this, I can clearly see from where you are coming from. Secondly, I have NOT pronounced takfir on any person unless it is precognition in your mind.

        @Excalibur:
        There is no point in arguing, if they have decided not to agree, they will NOT agree in any case.


      • @ Hell Borne (plus Excalibur if it helps)

        So u really want me to get involved. very well. I will start with the reasonable questions u have raised in ur recent post.

        bismillah al-rahman al-rahim

        1. your support to ur view;
        “Say: None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghaib (Unseen) except Allah”
        [al-Naml 27:65]

        my answer: of course. who is challenging that? all the knowledge is with Allah BUT he can transfer ANY/SOME of this knowledge, at his OWN will, to anyone he please. Is there a quote from Quran or Hadees putting a limit to Allah’s will on anything?

        2. your support to ur view;
        Narrated Masruq: Aisha (r.a.) said, “If anyone tells you that Muhammad has seen the unseen, he is a liar, for Allah says: “None has the knowledge of the unseen but Allah.”
        [Sahih Bukhari, Book #93, Hadith #477]

        my answer: the explanation of this reference is limited by ur scholars. It has a background. People think Rasool(SWS) has the knowledge of the Gaib by his OWN will. NO one has any knowledge other than what Allah provides them.
        Also based on ur referance, should we reject any predictions Rasool(SWS) made about the future as only Allah has the knowledge and he does not/cannot provide to anyone he please? The answer is NO. Rasool(SWS) knew only what Allah provided him and we HAVE TO BELIEVE in everything Rasool(SWS) told us about the future. What will u call this action of the Rasool informing us about the future?

        I feel that there is a confusion in the Deobandi/Wahabi school. People of D/W school think that we think that we can acquire the knowledge at our own will. this is not the case. Our beliefs are that “The center of all knowledge/power/Gaib is with Allah and he can provide anyone with what every Allah wants.

        The Qaseeda is a book. It is not Quran or Hadees. So it is not divine. BUT it is not diverting us from Quran and Sunnah. It is not instructing us to do or not do something. It is a record of someone’s knowledge provided to him by Allah. I cannot see what is so difficult to understand in this? Even if it is ALL false, it is not diverting us.

        As for Takfeer, i think u do not even know the meanings of this word.

        As for following Allahs teachings. I cannot see what r we not following. My friend stop judging others Emaan. This is a SIN. I think ur scholars forgot to teach u that;).

        If u really want to follow Allah’s instructions then STOP ALL THE TERROR/TAKFEER/CHAOS u create all around the world in the name of Islam. Stop killing innocents in the name of Islam. Start with that.

        Friends. If u cannot see outside the box, do not start accusing others of Kufr, shirk, bidat and the lot. you just cannot understand all yet. pray to Allah and he will guide u in the right direction. Only Allah can grant to anyone what every Allah pleases.

        If u have any other questions, feel fee to ask them BUT keep them short. Thanks.


      • @Yousuf:

        //////////////////////////

        —————————————
        Your words:
        my answer: of course. who is challenging that? all the knowledge is with Allah BUT he can transfer ANY/SOME of this knowledge, at his OWN will, to anyone he please. Is there a quote from Quran or Hadees putting a limit to Allah’s will on anything?
        —————————————
        Easy part first, when Allah in Quran is saying “nobody on earth or in heavens” knows then what further limit do you want?

        About transfering of knowledge, it was already mentioned in my post. Read what I wrote (with normal blood pressure else you will become defensive and then you will defend just anything against your will whether it is right or wrong), let me copy and paste:

        QUOTE…
        Despite of this, some devotees still claim that through Kashf, Allah can bestow ilm-ul-Ghaib – which is nothing more than twisted justification by particular sects. Because according to Jayyad Ulema, this is clarified in two categories as:

        1.
        The first kind is “Ilm-ul-ghaib al-mutlaq” that is knowledge of absolute unseen which is only known to Allah s.w.t. and no one in heaven or on earth knows it as mentioned in above quoted verses and ahadith. Any one claiming to know ilm-ul-ghaib is a lair. Following Quranic verse will further clarify this:

        “(He Alone) the All-Knower of the Ghâ’ib (unseen), and He reveals to none His Ghâ’ib (unseen). Except to a Messenger (from mankind) whom He has chosen (He informs him of unseen as much as He likes),” [Al-Jinn 72:26,27]

        2.
        Second kind is knowledge of facts or of SOMETHING THAT IS UNSEEN FROM SOME CREATURES BUT IS KNOWN BY SOME OTHERS. This knowledge Allah s.w.t. may give to his prophets by wahi and in case of chosen people other than Prophets through ilham or kashf.

        Types of Kashf – Sheikh Mohammad Al Munajjid
        http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/12778/kashf

        UNQUOTE…

        Please quote something tangible.
        //////////////////////////

        —————————————
        Your words:
        my answer: the explanation of this reference is limited by ur scholars. It has a background. People think Rasool(SWS) has the knowledge of the Gaib by his OWN will. NO one has any knowledge other than what Allah provides them.
        Also based on ur referance, should we reject any predictions Rasool(SWS) made about the future as only Allah has the knowledge and he does not/cannot provide to anyone he please? The answer is NO. Rasool(SWS) knew only what Allah provided him and we HAVE TO BELIEVE in everything Rasool(SWS) told us about the future. What will u call this action of the Rasool informing us about the future?
        —————————————
        My scholars??? You know your problem, you do a lot of titter tatter instead of writing to the point 🙂 Let me quote something directly from Quran:

        Surah-e-Anaam, verse no. 50: Allah asked Rasool Allah (s.a.w.) to tell people that:

        “Say: I tell you not that with me are the treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I but follow what is revealed to me. Say: can the blind be held equal to the seeing?” Will ye then consider not?”

        Here Rasool Allah (s.a.w.) is saying “I tell you what is revealed upon me and I do not know what is hidden” of course through Wahi and by the will of Allah and this was the source of knowledge of all futuristics events unlike in case of Qaseeda.

        This should be sufficient, insha Allah.
        //////////////////////////

        —————————————
        Your words:
        I feel that there is a confusion in the Deobandi/Wahabi school.
        —————————————
        Please do not bring such type of statements in between, stick to topic. Because if I start against Barelvi, you will have tough time defending your Ulema, insha Allah.
        //////////////////////////

        —————————————
        Your words:
        The Qaseeda is a book. It is not Quran or Hadees. So it is not divine. BUT it is not diverting us from Quran and Sunnah. It is not instructing us to do or not do something. It is a record of someone’s knowledge provided to him by Allah.
        —————————————

        This book was written in 1972 by Hafiz Sarwer Nizami without references that who conveyed the poetry to whom and who recorded it for 800 years. He did also not mentioned the source of poetry to him or how he got his hands on the poetry. How can you ensure the book was valid? Ask your ulema what are the consequences of spreading false information in the name of Auliya Allah.
        //////////////////////////

        —————————————
        Your words:
        As for Takfeer, i think u do not even know the meanings of this word.
        —————————————

        OK then explain it to me. And after writing your own explanation, read all of my comments in this thread from first to last (i.e. this one).
        //////////////////////////

        —————————————
        Your words:
        As for following Allahs teachings. I cannot see what r we not following. My friend stop judging others Emaan. This is a SIN. I think ur scholars forgot to teach u that;).

        If u really want to follow Allah’s instructions then STOP ALL THE TERROR/TAKFEER/CHAOS u create all around the world in the name of Islam. Stop killing innocents in the name of Islam. Start with that.

        Friends. If u cannot see outside the box, do not start accusing others of Kufr, shirk, bidat and the lot. you just cannot understand all yet. pray to Allah and he will guide u in the right direction. Only Allah can grant to anyone what every Allah pleases.

        If u have any other questions, feel fee to ask them BUT keep them short. Thanks.
        —————————————
        I am NOT judging another’s emaan but my problem is “do not spread unverified information” – I like Zaid Hamid for patriotism but he is NOT an scholar. My difference is only “do not spread unverified information” without proper authentication since neither him or any other person can authenticate that book by Hafiz Nizami written in 1972 who does not mention the source of peotry.

        Secondly, one BIG flaw is that, the Qaseeda mentions everything in very very detail, names of Moghul Emperors are matching and everthing is in detail upto 1972 but then suddenly, it goes directly in discussion of Dajjal (which we already know through ahadith). So why it does not mention anything for the period from 1973 to 2009?

        Why can you answer this?
        //////////////////////////

        My purpose is not to throw mud like you are constantly throwing at me but to forward the message whether you accept it or reject.

        Wama alaina illal balagh.

        Wallahu alam.

        Hell Borne
        //////////////////////////


  26. @Yousuf: (reposting if above comment does not come).

    //////////////////////////

    —————————————
    Your words:
    my answer: of course. who is challenging that? all the knowledge is with Allah BUT he can transfer ANY/SOME of this knowledge, at his OWN will, to anyone he please. Is there a quote from Quran or Hadees putting a limit to Allah’s will on anything?
    —————————————
    Easy part first, when Allah in Quran is saying “nobody on earth or in heavens” knows then what further limit do you want?

    About transfering of knowledge, it was already mentioned in my post. Read what I wrote (with normal blood pressure else you will become defensive and then you will defend just anything against your will whether it is right or wrong), let me copy and paste:

    QUOTE…
    Despite of this, some devotees still claim that through Kashf, Allah can bestow ilm-ul-Ghaib – which is nothing more than twisted justification by particular sects. Because according to Jayyad Ulema, this is clarified in two categories as:

    1.
    The first kind is “Ilm-ul-ghaib al-mutlaq” that is knowledge of absolute unseen which is only known to Allah s.w.t. and no one in heaven or on earth knows it as mentioned in above quoted verses and ahadith. Any one claiming to know ilm-ul-ghaib is a lair. Following Quranic verse will further clarify this:

    “(He Alone) the All-Knower of the Ghâ’ib (unseen), and He reveals to none His Ghâ’ib (unseen). Except to a Messenger (from mankind) whom He has chosen (He informs him of unseen as much as He likes),” [Al-Jinn 72:26,27]

    2.
    Second kind is knowledge of facts or of SOMETHING THAT IS UNSEEN FROM SOME CREATURES BUT IS KNOWN BY SOME OTHERS. This knowledge Allah s.w.t. may give to his prophets by wahi and in case of chosen people other than Prophets through ilham or kashf.

    Types of Kashf – Sheikh Mohammad Al Munajjid
    http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/12778/kashf

    UNQUOTE…

    Please quote something tangible.
    //////////////////////////

    —————————————
    Your words:
    my answer: the explanation of this reference is limited by ur scholars. It has a background. People think Rasool(SWS) has the knowledge of the Gaib by his OWN will. NO one has any knowledge other than what Allah provides them.
    Also based on ur referance, should we reject any predictions Rasool(SWS) made about the future as only Allah has the knowledge and he does not/cannot provide to anyone he please? The answer is NO. Rasool(SWS) knew only what Allah provided him and we HAVE TO BELIEVE in everything Rasool(SWS) told us about the future. What will u call this action of the Rasool informing us about the future?
    —————————————
    My scholars??? You know your problem, you do a lot of titter tatter instead of writing to the point 🙂 Let me quote something directly from Quran:

    Surah-e-Anaam, verse no. 50: Allah asked Rasool Allah (s.a.w.) to tell people that:

    “Say: I tell you not that with me are the treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I but follow what is revealed to me. Say: can the blind be held equal to the seeing?” Will ye then consider not?”

    Here Rasool Allah (s.a.w.) is saying “I tell you what is revealed upon me and I do not know what is hidden” of course through Wahi and by the will of Allah and this was the source of knowledge of all futuristics events unlike in case of Qaseeda.

    This should be sufficient, insha Allah.
    //////////////////////////

    —————————————
    Your words:
    I feel that there is a confusion in the Deobandi/Wahabi school.
    —————————————
    Please do not bring such type of statements in between, stick to topic. Because if I start against Barelvi, you will have tough time defending your Ulema, insha Allah.
    //////////////////////////

    —————————————
    Your words:
    The Qaseeda is a book. It is not Quran or Hadees. So it is not divine. BUT it is not diverting us from Quran and Sunnah. It is not instructing us to do or not do something. It is a record of someone’s knowledge provided to him by Allah.
    —————————————

    This book was written in 1972 by Hafiz Sarwer Nizami without references that who conveyed the poetry to whom and who recorded it for 800 years. He did also not mentioned the source of poetry to him or how he got his hands on the poetry. How can you ensure the book was valid? Ask your ulema what are the consequences of spreading false information in the name of Auliya Allah.
    //////////////////////////

    —————————————
    Your words:
    As for Takfeer, i think u do not even know the meanings of this word.
    —————————————

    OK then explain it to me. And after writing your own explanation, read all of my comments in this thread from first to last (i.e. this one).
    //////////////////////////

    —————————————
    Your words:
    As for following Allahs teachings. I cannot see what r we not following. My friend stop judging others Emaan. This is a SIN. I think ur scholars forgot to teach u that;).

    If u really want to follow Allah’s instructions then STOP ALL THE TERROR/TAKFEER/CHAOS u create all around the world in the name of Islam. Stop killing innocents in the name of Islam. Start with that.

    Friends. If u cannot see outside the box, do not start accusing others of Kufr, shirk, bidat and the lot. you just cannot understand all yet. pray to Allah and he will guide u in the right direction. Only Allah can grant to anyone what every Allah pleases.

    If u have any other questions, feel fee to ask them BUT keep them short. Thanks.
    —————————————
    I am NOT judging another’s emaan but my problem is “do not spread unverified information” – I like Zaid Hamid for patriotism but he is NOT an scholar. My difference is only “do not spread unverified information” without proper authentication since neither him or any other person can authenticate that book by Hafiz Nizami written in 1972 who does not mention the source of peotry.

    Secondly, one BIG flaw is that, the Qaseeda mentions everything in very very detail, names of Moghul Emperors are matching and everthing is in detail upto 1972 but then suddenly, it goes directly in discussion of Dajjal (which we already know through ahadith). So why it does not mention anything for the period from 1973 to 2009?

    Why can you answer this?
    //////////////////////////

    My purpose is not to throw mud like you are constantly throwing at me but to forward the message whether you accept it or reject.

    Wama alaina illal balagh.

    Wallahu alam.

    Hell Borne
    //////////////////////////


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  28. @ Yousuf

    While Hell Borne has very clearly articulated and dilated upon the misconceptions in your mind , let me just say that your very first point 1 itself should answer all your opacity of understanding; Let me make it easy for you :

    Allah SWT is, indeed, the Omnipotent but as an article of Faith we as Muslims Believe that Prophet Muhamma (pbuh ) was the last and FINAL Messenger of Allah and after him the silsila of Wahi and Besharat CEASED. No mortal after that can claim to be Prophet or claim that he recieves any Wahi.

    Any one who still claims so , and he is truthful should prove it and for people like you who believe such nonsense ahould state how do you validate and confirm such claims ? ( By your feebleminded reasoning them even Qadianis’ claim is also correct , is it ? Anyone can claim such things, perhaps even you !


    • You r a retard mate. read my comments carefully before commenting. I am preparing the answer to the points raised by Hell Borne.


      • @ yousuf
        Undoubtedly, you are beyond repair! Settles for sure, that as the one and only Lunatic Incharge of your own Asylum , you are the source of providing the Ilm Al ghaib to the legion of Pir, Fakirs and the like. Keep it up !


      • @ excalibur

        you r crazy man. go back to your cave before an artillery shell hits u. We are coming for u in waziristan soon. Fanatic/Terrorist/Takfeeri/losers should not call others names 😉 That was u!


      • @Yousuf:

        Another great response from you bro. I once read in a book of quotations.

        There it included proverb that, “lie, lie and lie, and speak lies as much as repeatedly possible until people start to belief it is the only truth”.

        Similarly, since the time I started to quote here you have been accusing me of being “takfiri” in my method and alhamdulillah, from top to bottom each and every comment of mine is present here and people can see that I have not pronounced Kufr on any particular person including you.

        To repeat, the purpose was to forward the message, whether you accept it or reject it.

        May Allah have mercy upon all of Muslims and give us knowledge of nothing BUT truth.


      • @ Hell Borne

        Mate. I think u took it too seriously. Also i think i went a little too far. Apologies brother.

        i have understood what u r trying to say. I wanted to write a proper answers to ur points rather than just rushing to commenting. But I am not getting enough time right now. Discussion with u is much more reasonable than discussion with excalibur.

        Once again. No hard feelings on my end. But, whether we like it or not, these differences in our understandings of Deen are creating problems. Worse, the enemy is exploiting it.
        We both have responsibilities in protecting each other. It is in our greater benefit. Lets try to play our part and support anything good going on around us. Till next time, Take care 😉


      • @Yousuf:

        Not a problem and no need to say sorry, it happens sometimes, no hard feelings here too.

        Take your time, we will learn something from each other insha Allah. Don’t worry about enemies taking benefit these minor differences, because in the end all Muslims have consensus when it comes to Jihad.

        Take care w’salam


  29. @ Yousuf

    Look forward to your ‘proper answers ‘whenever you get the time


  30. If we are really talking about pure Islam based on the Hadith and the Quran and Islamic Shariah..This sister, I mean the Hostess, needs to cover her half-naked V-shapped chest…Becuz there are clear Verses in the Quran that Believing women must cover thier bosoms, specailly the chest which is the attraction spot for any male…I am very sure that brother Zahid Saheb knows this. What I believe is that whatever Allah says in the Quran and what is mentioned in the Hadith of the Beloved prophet is 100% for the good of humanity…this applies to both men and women equally whatever the command maybe….I hope this sister follows this command from Allah and covers herself with modest islamic dress which will give a good example of someone who is on the spotlight for the sake of islamic Dawah…
    Peace and Love to all


    • ‘half-naked V-shaped chest’ are you serious? how respectful is your choice of words while you preach to the hostess? I dont really see what else your comment does except drawing attention to the ‘attaraction spots’ that might not even have been noticed by most people.
      Brother, you need to maybe stop paying so much attention to what the hostess wears and start listening to what ZH is saying.

      And, everyone, kindly keep your comments strictly about the ‘content’ of this show, and not on other stuff that doesnt really need commenting nor attention. Thank you. PKKH Mod.


      • That’s right Sumayya, perhaps our pious brother has forgotten that he has also been instructed to avert his eyes and stop ogling 🙂


  31. Does anyone have a backup of the following link ?

    http://supportersofshariah.wordpress.com/tag/kufr-of-qaseeda-naimatullah-shah-wali/

    It isn’t working anymore.



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