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Edge of unmatched hypocrisy

July 15, 2009

Sarah Naqvee | Pakistan Ka Khuda Hafiz

In 2005-06, we witnessed blasphemous cartoons against Islam and Prophet Mohammad (s.a.w.) in Danish newspapers resulting in uproar of protests by Muslims all over the world but it did not end here. These blasphemous cartoons were repeatedly published in many newspapers throughout Europe. It was claimed by Westerners that people making cartoons have a right of “freedom of expression”.

However, the same right of “freedom of expression” could not safe David Irwing, a British Writer, from imprisonment of 3 years for giving a speech denying Holocaust – actually he was supposed to get 10 years imprisonment but due to apology and changing of his beliefs relating to Holocaust resulted in mercy from Judge and saved him 7 years of his life.

Then, we witnessed whole world criticizing flogging of a Swati girl with all Pakistani political leaders calling the act as henious and inhumane, Pakistani media conducting debate and talk shows giving hours of precious air time discussing that his act is barbarian, political leaders – not only of Pakistan but of whole world – demonstrated sympathy with the victim girl and showed increased motiviation for fighting against terrorists.

Most recently, a few days ago, we noted Mr. Sarkozy liberating women by speaking against Burka (abaya) calling it a sign of “subservience of women”. While the fact of “shaheed-e-hijab” should be a slap in Mr. Sarkozy’s face that Hijab is taken as a sign of honor by Muslim women and they do it voluntarily without any coercion.

Now, a 28 years old German man attacks a pregnant Egyptian woman in full court of law that too in presence of police and security personnel, stabs her 18 times – each time shouting “sie haben kein recht zu leben” (meaning “you have no right to live”), with everyone standing still doing nothing and the only man who ran for her rescue gets multiple bullet shots by a policeman. The unfortunate woman embraces Shahada (martyrdom) and her fight to get justice against dishonor at the hands of a man comes to an end.

In aftermath, we find German government kept ignoring the murder until pressure got out of their control (may be because assailant was a Westerner), then we did not see a single statement by any Pakistani political leader who was very concerned about women rights after Swat’s fake incidence, Human Rights Watch sees no problem, GEO News and other “ghaddar” T.V. channels do not conduct debate and talk shows to expose this Western barbarian, no NGO offered sympathy to the family of the deceased, USA finds no threat to world peace, and no resolution gets passed in UN’s Security Council, perhaps, because the victim was a Muslim.

It should be very clear to all of us that, at least, the Western governments are totally biased and insincere to Muslims, Westerners are following particular agenda under unmatched hypocrisy of “War against Terror”, Western nations are systematically being brainwashed with “Islamophobia” so cold-blooded massacre of Muslims anywhere in the world does not get sympathy, Muslims are stereo-typed as terrorists thus a “must to murder” creature, our governments, NGOs, T.V. channels, political leaders are hypocrites of the worst class and it is our collective weakness that our brothers and sisters are mercilessly being murdered in the name of fake war against terror and we are unable to do anything to prevent future murders of sisters like Marwa Shebeni, forget revenging the spilling of innocent blood.

Imagine same case happened in Pakistan by a Muslim, entire world and Indians in the first place have declared Pakistan a terrorist state, UN’s Security Council would have passed another resoluion banning all madarassa in Pakistan for cultivating terrorism and Pakistan’s nuclear asssets were declared to be at the brink of falling in hands of extremists.

Another important side of this case is, if such an incident could happen in a full court with police and all security, what do you think how really safe Muslim women are in West? And “war against terror” not a disguised form of crusade against Muslims?

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55 comments

  1. Unfortunately not all societies are just like Pakistan where justice and peace prevails and they spread the message of brotherhood and tolerance to others.


    • are you unemployed ? have you not found work at a cow piss drink producing factory ?

      have you no life ? spend all day of pakistan websites, commenting on every news feed even if it does not concern india ?

      why is it everytime i comment on a indian website my comments never get published ?

      RSS throwing women out of bars ? you should focus on the shit that happens in your ‘country’


      • Go have a Chuha Tandoori (rat tandoori)… why you Indians were crying like unpaid whores when your punk ass stinkers were attacked in Australia?


    • Hindu bastards are formed from PIG’s SHIT. They well not stop uttering their nonsense untill and unless we wage great Jihad on them (i.e. GHAZWATUL HINDU).


      • @Muhammad Amir

        Beta keep dreaming of jihad on India/US/Israel while we break you into pieces slowly and sweetly…

        Bangladesh was just a start and now we will free innocent people from pak army opression.

        Inshah Allah we will free Balouchis, Sindhis and NW too slowly and sweetly 🙂

        Amen!!! 🙂


      • @Amit 🙂

        Yes you may do so in your dreams too because there is no such oppression which you are talking about — instead pray that ISI does not start to take your 141 insurgences (see Indian Virus article at this blog) seriously, else we have only two while you have 141.


    • Ayub khan was an officer in the briitsh army during WW2, so basically europe is free because of pakistan


  2. salam,

    its very sad and shocking news about a muslim women murdered by a german fanatic. I live in UK and know the difference of life style of non-muslims and Muslims here. We CANNOT compare the life of non-muslims with true Muslims at any level. english, Scottish, irish, American, german, Russian, polish bla bla all these are pig eaters. beer, wine, brewski, browiec, chelas or whatever name u give it is part of life of non-muslims all over the world. They have no character, no values. Remember the father from a small Austrian town who fathered 7 kids with his daughter. In UK domestic violence against young girls is increasing on a high ratio.

    women in west is just a joke now. a woman’s cunt is no more a sign of respect for her. The word SIN does not exist anymore in western dictionaries.

    in all the above circumstances do you think these pig eaters will give respect to muslims???

    the masses here in west are being brainwashed by the media against the muslims in general. giving masive news coverage to any wrong doing of a muslims and ignoring the worst events happened against muslims is building a negative impact on young generation and creating hatred for muslims in general. Media is more powerful here then the actual governments. You can image how only one news paper in london changed UK’s Labour party positions by revealing their expense claims. Western government have laid down media policies for the media operators which are being strictly followed on national issues.

    the best possible deterrent for Muslims against the non-islamic society is to keep in contact with the Islamic teachings, regular prayer, meetings with other Muslims on religious events (not night clubs). These things are very much essential now to keep the young muslim generation MUSLIM and united. otherwise I am afraid their would be more killings of Muslim women or men in this christian and jews world.

    Long live Pakistan


    • Why do you live in the UK? Why not go back to your beloved Pakistan if that is the places where all the values are upheld. It is a shame that you live in the UK and dont respect their culture.

      Every culture has many good things about it and I sure that your shallow eyes wouldnt have seen anything in the society where you live. All you can do is sit with your hatred spreading brothers and talk ill about the society that feeds you. You might think that you are a perfect muslim but you are far from it. Jis thali mein khaaya usi mein ched karta hai.


      • @ Agnostic Indian

        We cannot blame you for having teddy bear buttons and not eyes. And also being Indian we are not going to critisize you for not having a brain. I mean how do you critize someone for something they never had !

        But the fact of the matter is that you indians seem to be loosing any sense of rationality whatsoever it may be and you come on to forums for a plain old barking exercise.

        The world has seen this, you have been beaten up in australia and other parts of the world and you people still dont get it ?

        Although I can understand how bigotry and not supporting the burqa and western culture are all acceptable to you. Since coming from a background of penis worshipping, cow piss drinking, child frog marrying rituals and VALUES that are more animalistic than humane, but is it really our fault that you were born in this gutter ?

        Calling a spade a spade is not wrong, and countering that argument by saying go back to pakistan is not the Issue- The Issue is if something is wrong you fix it, whether its in pakistan or elsewhere !

        Also, the “thali” of england that you are talking about is not their “thali”, this thali was filled with food from our Mughal Empires riches – I’m sure you know of the east india company !

        So getting a piece of my pie back is not eating in the same thali it is called “lenay kay denay pertay hain”.

        And another illusion of yours is that a society feeds their population – thats not true because only God feeds human beings, whether you are in england, Pakistan or timbuktoo.

        Wake up and see reality !


      • @ Emperor.babur

        I am sure that none of your esteemed brothers who went to get back the “Mughal Empires riches” told the same when they applied for visa. They must have done all kinds of fraud to get it. Do you really think that by driving illegal mini-cabs and making few kebabs you are going to get back the riches. I must admint you guys are funny.

        Do you know many Indians get abused because westerners unfortunately relate us to you which we find very degrading. Many westerners are kind enough to say sorry when they know that we are Indians and not Porkistanis.

        Who gives you the right to judge what is wrong with the western societies. I dont find anything wrong in the way their ways. They are well off, have better education, live longer and have better access to all modern facilities. You are just hiding your inferiority complex by thinking that you are on high moral grounds. Sadly this attitude is equally prevalent among Indians.


    • Wonder why you think pig eater is an insult. Try eatign bacon once and then you will understand what you were missing.. Crispy bacon with pork sausages Umm yummy


      • You are what you eat Antagonistic Indian….need I say more….


      • @Agnostic Indian
        Lolz… they say sorry whn they know that you are Indians and not Pakistanis… Well I dun see anything of that sort happening in Australia or in Russia! Is this the reason why ppll insult Indians by calling them malluz or even calling places populated by Indians MMP – Mallu meeting point!

        And before telling others “Who gives you the right to judge wht is wrong in the western society?” why don’t you apply this to urself and stop commenting on Pakistan and Islam… JUST GET LOST FROM THIS SITE!

        PS:We find Pig eater an insult coz it is prohibited in Islam just like in your religion Christianity! And if you are not interested in following ur religion thtz not our problem!


  3. All my muslim brothers and sisters should boycott the western world. We should get all the muslims out of any country that does not follow Sharia Law. Also the muslim countries should come togeather and boycott any thing produced in or produced by a company from the non muslim countries. This will teach them a lesson.


    • Well said ..Cant think of a better solution. You live your way and we will live ours.


    • Excellent move Ali.

      Muslims should boycott all the western products…
      but hey thats a DREAM.

      GO and DO IT if you can 🙂 the reality is you cant.So stop dreaming all the time and accept the reality.


  4. These western societies will commit suicide with their own daggers like Iqbal said (Insha’Allah). May Allah rest the soul of our shaheed sister in peace (Ameen)


  5. “Muslims, not Westerners, must adapt. Take it or leave it. I am tired of our nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on the Western world, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Westerners. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the ‘politically correct’ crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to the Western world .

    “However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of the Western world being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Westerners, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.

    “This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

    “We speak mainly English, not Urdu, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society… learn the language!

    “Most Westerners believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.

    “We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.

    “If the Cross offends you… then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don’t care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

    “This is our country, our land, and our lifestyle, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Western freedom, the right to leave. If you aren’t happy here, then leave. We didn’t force you to come here . You asked to be here. So accept the country you accepted.”


    • I totally fail to understand, what this so called patriotism has to do in calling a woman whore if she asks you to leave swing for a kid? And what it has to do with stabbing her to death?

      Mr. Sarkozy spoke against voluntary act of veil by Muslim women as suppression, perhaps, he should also ask all the nuns to come to church in Bikinis and ban them wearing black veil that is almost the same Muslim women wear to protect their modesty.

      Secondly, how is it possible that defendant runs over to the plaintiff in full court, swings out a dagger, stabs a person 18 times while by standing police fails to stop him and instead the husband of the lady gets multiple shots by the Police – perhaps it was a well planned act.

      Lastly, we should not look for justice from West, they were never civilized in history, in Wild West, they used to duel each other in cowboy culture, then they charged on Reg Indians and natives of the land (by US/UK), then they suprressed black people, then they nuked Heroshima Nagasaki, then they ran over Vietnam, then they ran over Iraq, then Afghanistan, then again Iraq, and now Pakistan. The history of west shows their filthy mentality of living by the blood and dying by the blood – it is only weakness of Muslims and absence of Khilafah (caliphate) that we Muslims are taken for granted – the cheapest blood to spill without a second thought.


    • @ Fred or Agnostic Indian

      First off changing names doesn’t change ones identity and what can be said of people who after being shown their true face now resort to a borrowed identity to prove a point.

      The fact of the matter is that even your so called majority people in western countries is not christian and they dont give a shit about ur Indianess. Infact you are called sand niggers and other such good names but you choose to take that shit like everyone else.

      Now, to set the facts straight. We are not living in a foreign land and among foreign people.Europe and America are as much home to the muslims as Arabia or pakistan or indonesia.

      The world knows the moors of spain, how we ruled granada, cordova ,Italy – sicily remained under muslim control for centuries and even southern France !

      Here Fred, :D..enlighten yourself to some history which your immigrant parents will never tell you about.

      http://books.google.ca/books?id=bRh058YPYSkC&dq=The+Moors&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=ylb-hegXD3&sig=SEn-ntlFjQoMefrLL619eMSBxmk&hl=en&ei=tKNeSu-LHNaRtgeR9KngAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9

      The world also knows how europe was divided into the eastern roman empire and a western roman empire. The eastern roman empire was known as the Byzantine empire or later known as the Great Ottomon Empire or ( Khilafat -e – Osmania). This empire LASTED IN EUROPE FOR 800 YEARS. It ended only in 1925 !!!!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

      Indian immigrants like you might not have anything in common with the europeans but we have blood relations with them.

      Islam has many commonalities with the christians as well and many christians and jews have settled in Muslim countries because of persecution they suffered in their native countries back in the days !

      And i can go on and on and the same goes for america their were several native american chiefs which had Muslim Names !! because naturally when we ruled Western and Eastern Europe , it was those same people who migrated to america ..MUCH EARLIER THAN COLUMBUS !!

      Here hope you enjoy this …

      http://rupeenews.com/2008/04/11/muslims-in-america-before-columbus-after-spanish-inquisition/

      And last but not least europe is no different than India for Muslims where under the moghals all of India was a Muslim country and soon it will be returning to us 😀

      So now fred, we as muslims have our god given birth, religious and family right to be with our misguided brothren and sisters in Europe and america and bring them to the right path.

      Indians can stay here as well, we’ll be nice because we dont come as occupiers – we win hearts like always !..This is what you need to understand !


  6. Agnostic Indian,

    Following your line of thinking, I highly praise all those Australians who killed those smelly drunken bastard INDIAN students. What were those idiots doing in Australia anyways? They should all go back to India from any foreign countries.

    I think you will support us Muslims when we harass, torture and kick the Indian residents of UAE, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia and so forth because ACCORDING to your “Values”, it is the victims that take all the brunt not the perpetrator.

    What a twitt you are!! No wonder you are an agnostic. Someone who has NO value-system, no regard for humanity


    • @SomnathDestroyer

      Ahh another paki poser living in dream and a fake ID.I could have replied with ‘BabriMasjidDestroyer’ but guess what I am not a paki 🙂

      Why are you crying so much??? Did some Indian take your job recently?
      HAHAHAHAHA 🙂

      Go and try to abuse any Indian in middle east and you will be kicked out of your own muslim brothers country or hanged to death in public.The Arabs would kick you out as they are already annoyed by pakis.

      Dont talk things you cant do it.


  7. Sarah Naqvi thanx for atleast making us aware of western barbarism. Truly speaking, we are shameless people. Not a single word from any channel or remark of concern by this pathetic govt.


  8. Dear Miss Sarah,

    I am really appalled at the show of apathy that our media is displaying regarding this case. Instead of standing as a block and defending rights of Muslims world over, our media and government becomes a “Khaamosh Tamashai”. It is really sad. The shahadat of this pakbaaz Egyption lady is a horrible incident and brings food for thought to us Muslims.

    There have been many cases of bigotry like that in United States as well which does not get world attention. In most of these cases victims have been Muslim women wearing Hijab. This is the utmost test of how the western negative propaganda against Islam is working.

    It is definitely a “Lamha-e-fikria” for us Muslims


  9. I believe that a bit of tolerance and understanding is required to live and let live. Mindless fanaticism is not the solution, pride and dignity in ones’ country and beliefs is important and that only comes about by individual and collective conduct.
    A balanced perspective is in order.
    When we choose to live in non-Islamic societies we are not doing it for the sake of Islam. It is either personal , professional or economic pursuits.How we conduct ourselves should reflect Islam. Islam is not in either our beards or the Hijab ; beards and hijab are in Islam.
    While the Dresden murder is tragic , it is presumptous to attribute it to the wearing of the hijab. The culprit was an unemployed person and a neighbour of the deceased.Perhaps there was a history of animosity and mutual hatred.
    It would do well to remember that she and her husband were in Germany. Her husband was a researcher in Germany. No racial prejudice in that aspect. The court heard and sentenced the culprit with a fine. Justice prevails.
    The culprit appeals and in a fit of rage in the courtroom assaults and kills the victim. ( Does it not happen in our countries ? )
    Similarly when the Indian students were recently targeted and wounded in Australia, they also were partly responsible in getting what came to them.
    However, more importantly how the Indian media reacted as also how the Australian Ambassador was confronted is to be seen.Similarly, when 10 Pakistani students were hauled up without any credible chatges, the High Commissioner did take a visible and strong position. That is the way to go.
    In the Dresden case , the Egyptian Ambassador only showed up at a memorial meeting after 10 days.
    We must respect what is the truth and in return expect the respect we earn.
    The term Shahadat is now so much loosely used, that it has lost its sacred meaning.
    A killing or murder is not a Shahadat in any case . Our extremist elements try and exploit it at every opportunity to tarnish the fair name of Islam.
    We should be vigilant


  10. @ agnostic Indian

    ..oh there there agnostic ..you sound a little hurt after our little “show ur face in the mirror” exercise. But rest assure we will alleviate these and other illusions you have as well.

    The problem with Indians and their paranoi is that they think just because they are a piece of crap that the world is the same as well. Which isnt the case obviously. Before I discuss the obvious i would like to invite the readers of this blog to check out some articles ..

    1. AOL – on a major american news network

    http://www.aol.in/news-story/Three-Indians-jailed-for-Britains-biggest-visa-fraud/403297

    Comments : The biggest visa fraud in the history of UK was done by 3 indians !..now, what can i say ..you all can deduce wat this means

    2. Indian “Working Profesionals” commit Major Fraud with the H-1b working and please keep this in mind that Indians also make up some of the largest domestic and municipal work categories(cleaning toilets, washing the dead, sewage workers..etc) in other countries and they commit these huge blunders in the name of “working there”.

    http://sify.com/finance/fullstory.php?id=14856095

    3. Indians committing fraud with their own masters. This is where the befitting term fits “Jis thali mein khana ussi mein ched kerna”.

    http://specials.rediff.com/money/2008/oct/13slide1.htm

    Comments : The world knows US is getting their outsourcing or boring work done from India. China and Pakistanis dont stoop to this level of handling others dirty work ..so this article only belongs to India.

    Im sure the audience here gets the picture . I shouldnt have to say anymore.

    Secondly, when the australians were beating up the indians because of the filthy way they live and the job robbing techniques they applied, the Indian Prime Minister was involved at that level with their Australian counterpart. DID ANYONE SEE EVEN A LOW RANKING PAKISTANI OFFICIAL BE INVOLVED ?

    – Any stories of pakistanis being beaten up in australia ?- NO

    Although the fact remains that most indians look like pakistanis. The Australians never attacked any pakistani, bangladeshi, sri lankan or any other subcontinental person.

    Indians can very easily be identified because they smell like curry made from excessive “hing”…LOL LOL . Which is how the Australians were able to tell the difference. Here Im not going to say much ..you guys can read it for yourself …LOL LOL LOL

    http://rupeenews.com/2009/05/29/massive-backlash-against-india-why-do-australians-hate-indians/

    And Lastly, our wisdom and our right approach the emblem of rightfullness on which the majority of our society stands is the reason why the world listens to Pakistan. Isnt it a fact agnostic that YOU are also on a pakistani forum ?. We have the absolute right because of our MORAL HIGH ground to preach what is right and we always will.

    To finally end this off agnostic for people who tell their poor to eat rats and skunks ..pork would be a major upgrade ?..But I also heard the same Indian minister urging people to eat skunks ..have you tried that lately ??

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7557107.stm

    Mind sharing how was that experience ???….LOL LOL LOL LOL

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha


  11. In the matter of Justice, we should call a spade, a spade. Just because Germany gave the work visa to the couple does not mean that the couple is obliged to put-up with the murder. To even suggest that is INSANE. It is a very unfortunate event from the shock of which I haven’t recovered and I am not even a victim. My shock is at the possibility of such a heinous crime taking place in the court of law and the policeman not shooting the attacker. Instead shot the victim’s husband. The stabber stabbed 18 times. It is ENOUGH time for any police to take some action. Just imagine how the courtroom would look like: every one just quietly watching, judge, court reporter, audience, jury, security guards watching quietly an episode of “Boston Legal”?

    Instead of condemning the action, you play the fundamentalism card. It is the German court that will be hold accountable. Why did they allow someone to bring a knife into the court? It is too hard to believe that German courts don’t have any security something which is sooo common place in the West.

    On top of that the German government is giving a lacklustre response, Muslim world media is guilty of criminal silence.

    To choose to live by one’s religious principles is NOT a crime. Secular law allows the freedom of religion. When this law has no problem with nudity, why should it have problem with modesty? Why double standards? Why Christian Nuns are allowed to dress according to their theology? They cover their hair and bodies more stringently than Muslim women. They even live a LOT more repressive life than Muslim women (as in no right to marry). Instead, Muslim women are targeted.

    The blame is on everyone who is neglectful of their duties which includes the German courts.


    • You’re absolutely right Asher. I wonder why these western apologists can’t see the blatant refusal by the west to accept us as humans and to look beyond our religion. Muslim blood comes cheap to them I suppose…….


    • @ Brother & sisters on this forum.

      The agony today is when you talk about justice for muslims it doesnt exist. Today what is RIGHT is WRONG and what is WRONG is RIGHT. This situation occurs when the JUST are no longer in power. It occured prior to the advent of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and in between the times in the absence of messengers.

      Your frustration is more than justified but to talk to people who justify such wrong doing you have do dig up their corpses and show them in their face, the kind of rubbish they live in.

      But the permanent solution is to Empower ourselves and become once again the powerful rulers we were and the empires we ran. The good part is, we are on our way…Its just a matter of time !

      Long Live the Khurasan Empire !


    • The tunnel vision complex is our greatest weakness.
      How in Heavens name have we concluded that the killing or insult in the first place is because of the Hijab ?
      Their are hundreds and thousands of women who live or visit Germany wearing the Hijab. How many instances have taken place like this?
      This false sense of paranoia of linking everything with religion must change.
      Berating the whole nation just on the basis of an isolated individual act is unfair.Islam teaches us otherwise.
      Not to forget the initial omplaint by the deceased was not only heard by the German Court but a verdict given in her favour. Islamic justice would do exactly the same, wouldnt it.?

      Lets be fair and honest in our opinion and call a spade a spade and not have a misplaced sense of martyrdom.


      • @ Brother Excalibur

        The matter is pertaining to Islam. If the lady in question in this article had not been wearing a hijab and instead been a european woman wearing a bikini she would still have been alive today ! – So the hijab does attest Islam and which is why she was killed. Their might be other reasons but then why was the man PULLING HER HIJAB and calling her Islamic or Muslim filth ??- thats the common man test .

        Also it is a collection of incidents which forms a perspective. So now Whether its this or muslims students being held in britain for absolutely nothing and then bein deported out, any of these incidents are certainly not showing love !. If you look at it from a big picture perspective Muslims are unnecessarily harassed !.. Thats all were talking about here.

        German forces are with nato in afghanistan as well and we all know whats happening their – you want to call a spade a spade their too ?


      • Dear Emperor

        Had your theory been true, the Germancourt would never have entertained the lady’s complaint in the beginning itself, leave alone giving a judgement in her favour.

        What is the compulsion of going to all such countries in the first place ?

        Yes , the Germans are a part of NATO forces in Afghanistan which is not correct and unacceptable to the Afghans.They are getting the treatment they deserve , aren’t they ?


      • @Excalibur:

        1)
        Replace the name of Marwa Sherbeni with the name of your sister or of your mother.

        2)
        DOn’t change any fact, i.e. she being called Muslim Whore, Islamic filth, etc.

        3)
        Re-read your comments.

        4)
        Would you still stick to same words in your comments?


  12. STOP RACISM !!!


  13. Asher !just read my original comments once again. No one is condoning the German Court’s inefficiency in failing to ensure proper and routine security checks ( the same happens in our own courts as well )
    Appreciate that it is the same court that gave the verdict in favour of the Muslim woman. It is the same country which did not deny entry to the woman or her husband at the outset.( they are not obliged to do so )All along they continued to live by their faith without any intervention
    Yet to go on and insist that the court and the country itself conspired to kill the woman and that too because she wore the hijab is childish and unreasonable.Justice is blind to race or religion as it should be.


  14. @excalibur,

    Why are you and the German court don’t think the murder was a hate crime borne out of contempt for Hijabi Women?

    Europe is increasingly become sensitive about Muslims outnumbering them. There are many articles available online that show their desperation to control Muslim population. There has been incidences in Europe in the past that suggest this growing anti-Muslim sentiment. I can quote you few US examples. An Afghan woman wearing hijab and carrying her young daughter to school in fremont california as shot dead 3 years ago. A mosque in Antioch, California was first shot at and then whole building was burnt (this was in the media and big news). Right after 911, a muslim Hijabi woman was beaten to death while she was doing her laundry in her apartment complex. Couple this with recent issues in France and a ban on Hijab by Sarkozy.

    These are sufficient enough to prove a growing trend towards Muslim(Islam) bashing thanks for the negative media propaganda against Islam.

    Jews are also citizen of these country and get the same benefits as Muslims but they don’t let any anti-semitic incident go unscathed.

    I don’t know if you live in the Western country or not, their administration is much better than ours but still their citizen don’t refrain from protesting whenever their rights are violated. Even in the childish matter of saying “Merry Christmas”, the secular groups got into action and change that to “Happy Holidays”.

    I don’t know why you are giving this sense that some how Muslims should simply put-up with bigotry.


    • Asher, the German court had duly acknowledged the hate and insults perpetrated by the culprit and sentenced him as guilty and slapped a fine. Period.

      What happened on the day when his appeal was being heard is a different matter.His hate turned into manic rage and he did what he did.Not to forget that both the culprit and the deceased were neighbours and the mutual hate and intolerance would have developed over time and it was not a spontaneous reaction.In fact he is equally despicable as our so called ‘suicide bombers’ who kill and maim innocent civilians all the time. There is no difference.
      Yes, I have lived in several countries in Europe, the Middle East and also the U.S.True that the growth in the Muslim population has historically been higher but why that was never an issue before 9/11, we have to ask ourselves.
      The misguided and shameful action of a few have put the entire Muslim Ummah in extreme difficulties and in a vulnerable position. Our enemies have exploited this opportunity to further malign us by propaganda and infiltrating our ranks to sustain the extremists amongst us.
      No body denies the right to protest in these countries. Far from it.Unlike the fragmented Muslim Ummah the jews have a united face and are strong both economically and militarily so they are taken seriously. Good for them. On the contrary, Muslims have scores of sects and denominations within, are weak and less educated, are economically insignificant and their collective face under OIC is a joke.
      Accordingly, if we do not wish to be kicked around we must reform ourselves first. Allah will only crown our efforts if we address and rectify our weaknesses and failure to do this is no longer an option.


      • I can not retire to the idea that no one should condemn the lapse in court security just because a bunch of suicide bombers have brought a bad name to Islam. This is the standard procedure in the West whenever there is some lapse and the public raises cry over it, they mobilize into fixing the lapse. It is part of a democratic process. I strongly disagree with your passive take on this issue. I understand where you are coming from that you want Muslims to fix their issues first hich is a different issue altogether. Every nation goes through a period of growing pains and eventually change the status quo. It is only a matter of time that Muslims will rise up against the odds and that will happen in our lifetime.

        It is also true that this process of change has been thwarted many times by vested Western interests. For some, the thought of independant democratic nation is abhorable because they can not keep their hegemony. Suicide bombeing in Palestine is a result of years of oppression. It is the process of cause and effect. When oppression takes its toll, the reaction is usually very ugly.

        There was a time when I truly believed that We Muslims should drop our animosity with the West. When I looked deeper I found that this animosity has been grown out of genuine reasons. I am not saying that the whole western world is culprit or that all common western people hate Muslims. Far from that. I believe a strong group of people with vested interests have been responsible for such a plight.

        You said there was no hatred before 9/11 but you don’t know it was cooking. YOu think the evangelists were cool with the idea of losing their members to Islam? Rising of Islam has been felt and measures had been taken to counter that long time ago.


  15. @ Fred or Agnostic Indian

    First off changing names doesn’t change ones identity and what can be said of people who after being shown their true face now resort to a borrowed identity to prove a point.

    The fact of the matter is that even your so called majority people in western countries is not christian and they dont give a shit about ur Indianess. Infact you are called sand niggers and other such good names but you choose to take that shit like everyone else.

    Now, to set the facts straight. We are not living in a foreign land and among foreign people.Europe and America are as much home to the muslims as Arabia or pakistan or indonesia.

    The world knows the moors of spain, how we ruled granada, cordova ,Italy – sicily remained under muslim control for centuries and even southern France !

    Here Fred, ..enlighten yourself to some history which your immigrant parents will never tell you about.

    http://books.google.ca/books?id=bRh058YPYSkC&dq=The+Moors&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=ylb-hegXD3&sig=SEn-ntlFjQoMefrLL619eMSBxmk&hl=en&ei=tKNeSu-LHNaRtgeR9KngAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9

    The world also knows how europe was divided into the eastern roman empire and a western roman empire. The eastern roman empire was known as the Byzantine empire or later known as the Great Ottomon Empire or ( Khilafat -e – Osmania). This empire LASTED IN EUROPE FOR 800 YEARS. It ended only in 1925 !!!!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

    Indian immigrants like you might not have anything in common with the europeans but we have blood relations with them.

    Islam has many commonalities with the christians as well and many christians and jews have settled in Muslim countries because of persecution they suffered in their native countries back in the days !

    And i can go on and on and the same goes for america their were several native american chiefs which had Muslim Names !! because naturally when we ruled Western and Eastern Europe , it was those same people who migrated to america ..MUCH EARLIER THAN COLUMBUS !!

    Here hope you enjoy this …

    http://rupeenews.com/2008/04/11/muslims-in-america-before-columbus-after-spanish-inquisition/

    And last but not least europe is no different than India for Muslims where under the moghals all of India was a Muslim country and soon it will be returning to us

    So now fred, we as muslims have our god given birth, religious and family right to be with our misguided brothren and sisters in Europe and america and bring them to the right path.

    Indians can stay here as well, we’ll be nice because we dont come as occupiers – we win hearts like always !..This is what you need to understand !


  16. @ Hell Borne

    Whether it was your mother or sister or mine, it would , indeed, have been our personal responsibility to put them in harms way in the first place knowing full well that the obtaining environment in non Islamic countries is hostile.
    As for the ‘facts’of the case that you so unquestioningly believe to be the gospel truth , please see my observations based upon two seperate video clips posted on this very forum under the title “Shaheeda i Hijab”. The reported ‘ facts’are clearly self-contradictory. It is basic decency to atleast try and see the other side of the story as well. But unfortunately, we continue to behave ‘ostrich like’ and refuse to have the courage to recognise our own short comings and succumb to the agenda of the extremists fringe amongst us.We must not abdicate our rights as Muslims to allow such elements to hijack Islam and use it either deliberately or ignorantly to tarnish the real Islam and putting all Muslims as sterotypes in their barbaric image.
    “Islam is not in beards or hijab; beards and hijab are in Islam.” The sooner we reflect and appreciate this fact, the better for us.


    • Chalo, let’s take it this way – details are contradictory but one core fact remains that she was fighting a case for HIJAB – talking democratically, women have right to wear bikini if they want and same they have right to wear Buqra, Abaya or Scarf if they want – Mr. Sarkozy should not worry and Mr. Alex who murdered Marwa should not call her Whore if she wears scarf.

      You can’t deny a fact that Germans, historically, are racist nation – they consider themselves the superior of creation just like Jews consider themselves chosen ones.

      About your last statement, shaving is Fisq and the person who does it is Fasiq and for women showing her hair to ghair-meharrum is HARAM, even showing legs above ankles is Haram – so it is perfectly clear, whether extremist or not, all sects, all Ulema have consensus on these two, things are clear that what is Islam and what is just calling oneself Muslim.


      • **clarification: BY shaving I mean the BEARD…:)

        This clarification was extremely important for brainaics like Amit and Bablu.


      • It is the media hype being created adding a spin that the hijab was the fundamental issue when clearly that is not the case.It was an animosity over a period of time as neighbours which came to a head over a swing in the park.Who provoked the argument is best known to Allah. Why did she feel it proper to speak to a na maharam is interesting .
        By your understanding of the matter of beard perhaps all those who shave are not Muslims and Abu Jahl was following the Sunnah as he also had a beard as many other non muslims had then and also today .And has ASWT inherently (anauzibillah,) disempowered people of Far East (Chinese, Thai etc )origin who genetically have little or no facial hair to begin with.HE is the ultimate Aadil and is impossible that he will lay down any compulsory injunction about the beard as such.To claim that their is universal acceptance by ulemas on this , is misleading.
        As for showing legs above ankles , I agree but then our concern and efforts should be closer to home where it is the current ‘in thing’ among Pakistani Muslim females.( It resembles more of the Sharaee shalwars of males which again is a debatable issue even in the case of males to begin with )
        Lastly,I disagree that Germans are a racist nation historically. It is the result of propaganda alone and cannot be generalised.( By the way another little known fact is that Hitler was a duly democratically elected leader) Incidentally, the Dresden culprit is of Russian origin not German !So by your belief Russians are also racist , are they ?


    • @Excalibur:

      I will try to keep my reponse short and to the point insha Allah.

      🙂 Speaking alone to ghair-meherram is not Haram provided the lady is covered, the talk is not “unnecessary” and she is not discussing any thing that is forbidden. In this case, Marwa was covered up and it is not established that she was discussing something prohibited – now here we can’t presume that may be she was discussing prohibited matters (e.g. illegitimate relationship, etc) because that will fall under ambit of bohtan or false allegation, which is a great sin. So this argument that why was she talking with ghair meherram when it is haram to talk – is out of context.

      Now coming to beards.

      Quoting from your response,
      ///////////////////////////
      “By your understanding of the matter of beard perhaps all those who shave are not Muslims and Abu Jahl was following the Sunnah as he also had a beard as many other non muslims had then and also today”

      I don’t want to hurt you but it seems you don’t know meaning of Fisq and then Fasiq. Fisq is an Arabic word meaning violation of law, and Fasiq is the person who violations law, thus here it refers to violation of Islamic law. Now the law, according to Ulema of all sects of Islam have consensus of beard that shaving is not permitted and it is wajib – although the only difference is of length, some say shorter some say longer but they agree on one point.
      ///////////////////////////

      AND

      Quoting…
      ///////////////////////////
      “And has ASWT inherently (anauzibillah,) disempowered people of Far East (Chinese, Thai etc )origin who genetically have little or no facial hair to begin with.HE is the ultimate Aadil and is impossible that he will lay down any compulsory injunction about the beard as such.To claim that their is universal acceptance by ulemas on this , is misleading.”
      ///////////////////////////

      I don’t want to hurt you but this statement of yours shows level of knowledge of Fiqh, so I won’t be further commenting on it except to clarify.

      Very first of all, 🙂 Beard is NOT a compulsory requirement from Allah but a doing of all prophets, particularly Prophet Mohammad (s.a.w.). You can find following ahadith narrated in Sahih Muslim with reference to Abu Huraira, ibn Umar, Aisha (radiallahu ahnum wa rudu anhu) in hadith numbers 498, 500, 501 and 502 in book no. 2 that:

      “Trim closely the moustache, and let the beard grow.”

      For full details, see
      http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=beard+grow&translator=2&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all%5D

      The same Sunnah was adopted by four pious caliphs, tabaeen and taba-tabaeen. This should clarify that the ruling is NOT illogical and it is NOT from Allah – insha Allah.

      Secondly, any act being done by non-Muslim which is required for Muslim does not mean that we stop doing it or that it becomes non-compulsory, instead we are told to differentiate from kuffar, e.g. we are required to trim moustache something not done by Jews including Abu Jahl 🙂

      Now, in case of Chinese/Thai,etc., if they do not have facial hair or have less then their matter falls in category of disability. For example, in case of Namaz disabled people are allowed to offer namaz by signs if they are paralized or can’t move — now you would cannot say after a person becomes paralyzed Allah’s command for Salah is illogical? 🙂

      Similarly, our Muslim brethern in China/Thailand, etc., they are required to leave the face as it is and do not shave or use razor at all and do a niyyah (or niyat) of growing beard so they will be in complaince of this requird and will get equal, and according to some Ulema, even more ajar (reward) for fulfilling the requirement. This is verifiable based on another hadith that “innama amalu binniyah” (meaning in context “the basis of everything is Niyat”).

      Whatever I am quoting is verifiable through confirmation from famous religious scholars of all sects. Now combining all arguments on beard above, we get, Prophet Mohammad (s.a.w.) asked to grow beards (as Abu Jahl did) but told us to be different (by trimming moustache something not done by Abu Jahl), matters relating to disability due to nature or genetics have special provisions just like in some cases ruling relating to haram things change.

      I hope it answers your arguments. Note that I am not a qualified aalim but my answer is based on my reading and research, my intention is to show you the path, rest is upon you. Lastly, please stop defending western system of justice or culture, there are already hundreds of detainees in Git-Mo bay solely based on suspicion without any evidence and without a proper trial. Please do NOT be-fool yourself.

      Wama alaina illal balagh.

      And Allah knows the best.


      • Let me respond briefly;
        1. I have no issue with the victim going up to the culprit and speaking with him in the park.I am only underlining the fact that the argument was over the use of a trivial swing by her child. Hijab was not the central point of conflict.
        2. Regarding the beard, I understand what fisq and fasiq mean . Accordingly, it is NOT an Islamic Law as such. One may like to emulate the prophet’s physical appearance and attire only as an individual choice. One who does not do so is not a lesser Muslim in any way.( the example of Muslims in the Far East is just to reinforce the same interpretation )
        The Hadiths you quote to support your point had a relevance in time and space during the advent of Islam for obvious reasons .Holding this as a Law for all times to come is not correct.
        I am a humble student of our great Faith and hope to emphasise that a true understanding of Islam is not a rocket science which is only subject to the interpretations of a majority of our self styled clerics/ulemas of all shades and description who have historically stressed exclusively on the ornamental/external manifestations of the Sunnah instead of emphasising on the real and spiritual essence of the all important Sunnah which leads to Taqwa.
        To summarise again ” Islam is neither in the beard nor the hijab ; the beard and the hijab is in Islam”
        The sooner we understand this truth, the quicker Muslim Renaissance will come about.

        Wama alaina illal balagh


      • @Hell Bourne

        WOW such a short reply 🙂

        You are talking of your ‘muslim brothers’…

        Let me show you in which conditions they are:-

        1. The imam’s sermon at Friday Prayer must run no longer than a half-hour. Prayer in public areas outside the mosque is forbidden.

        2. Residents of Khotan are not allowed to worship at mosques outside of town.

        3. Rules displayed on the wall of mosques says that government workers and nonreligious people may not be “forced” to attend services at the mosque – a generous wording of a law that prohibits government workers and Communist Party members from going at all. Why government officials who are Muslims are not allowed to pray? you can go yourself and see the rules in mosque in Khotan. I think the rules have now been put in the internet as well last year.
        The government restrictions are posted inside mosques and elsewhere across Xinjiang.

        4. Imams may not teach the Koran in private, and studying Arabic is allowed only at special government schools.

        5. Two of Islam’s five pillars – the sacred fasting month of Ramadan and the pilgrimage to Mecca called the hajj – are also carefully controlled.Students and government workers are compelled to eat during Ramadan, and the passports of Uighurs have been confiscated across Xinjiang to force them to join government-run hajj tours rather than travel illegally to Mecca on their own.

        6. Any educated man would know that heavy-handed tactics like the restrictions on Islam will only radicalize more Uighurs. why the govt keep saying “three forces” of separatism, terrorism and religious extremism threaten to destabilize the region.Many of the rules have been on the books for years, but some local governments in Xinjiang have publicly highlighted them in the past seven weeks by posting the laws on Web sites or hanging banners in towns.

        7. Han Chinese, the country’s dominant ethnic group, discriminate against Uighurs based on the most obvious differences between the groups: language and religion. This is evident as Uighurs are not prefered for jobs sometimes. Why many Han Chinese see Islam as the root of social problems in Xinjiang, when you speak with them.
        Meanwhile Chinese government, which is officially atheist, recognizes five religions – Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, Taoism and Buddhism. One interview with a Han man who runs construction business in Kashgar, he said: The Uighurs are lazy. It’s because of their religion ” he said. “They spend so much time praying. What are they praying for?”

        8. Signs painted on mud-brick walls in the winding alleyways of old Kashgar warn against making illegal pilgrimages. A red banner hanging on a large mosque in the Uighur area of Urumqi, the regional capital, says, “Implement the policy of organized and planned pilgrimage; individual pilgrimage is forbidden.”

        9. The government gives various reasons for controlling the hajj. Officials say that the Saudi Arabian government is concerned about crowded conditions in Mecca that have led to fatal tramplings, and that Muslims who leave China on their own sometimes spend too much money on the pilgrimage.Critics say the government is trying to restrict the movements of Uighurs and prevent them from coming into contact with other Muslims, fearing that such exchanges could build a pan-Islamic identity in Xinjiang. About two years ago, the government began confiscating the passports of Uighurs across the region, angering many people. Now virtually no Uighurs have passports, though they can apply for them for short trips.The new restriction has made life especially difficult for businessmen who travel to neighbouring countries.To get a passport to go on an official hajj tour or a business trip, applicants must leave a deposit of nearly $6,000

        What on the bloody hell is this ?

        10. One man in Kashgar said the imam at his mosque, who like all official imams is paid by the government, had recently been urging congregants to go to Mecca only with legal tours. That is not easy for many Uighurs. The cost of an official trip is the equivalent of $3,700, and hefty bribes usually raise the price. Once a person files an application, the authorities do a background check into the family. If the applicant has children, the children must be old enough to be financially self-sufficient, and the applicant is required to show that he or she has substantial savings in the bank.Rules posted last year on the Xinjiang government’s Web site say the applicant must be 50 to 70 years old, “love the country and obey the law.” A govt employee might very well lose his pension if he went on the hajj.

        11. The rules on fasting during Ramadan are just as strict. They vary by town and county but include requiring restaurants to stay open during daylight hours and mandating that women not wear veils and men shave their beards. One rule that officials in some towns seem especially intent on enforcing is the ban on students’ fasting. Supporters of this policy say students need to eat to study properly. in Kashgar university locked the gates and put glass shards along the top of a campus wall. tried to force students to eat during the day by prohibiting them from leaving campus in the evening to join their families in breaking the daily fast.

        So go and raise a Jihad against Chinese.Chinese are so cunning they are using you and at the same time slaughtering your ‘muslim brothers’.

        Why dont pakis raise even a single voice against Chinese? GO and raise a voice if you REALLY care for your so called 60-70 muslim brothers living under REAL opression for decades.

        The fact is that you cant raise a voice
        against Chinese.Also the jihad you are doing in Kashmir for so called ‘muslim brotherhood’ is FALSE as it is not for muslims but just to get the land.


  17. Asher, please understand that judicial systems everywhere are structured and staffed according to the nature of the offence.The security detail corresponds.
    Traffic fines, domestic issues,harassment complaints are on a lower tier while criminal matters are dealt with differently.
    The Dresden case was first heard and adjudicated upon in November 2008 when the German Court gave the verdict in favour of the victim. This was the Appellate court where the culprit had appeared and committed the crime.It is just like our Magistrate courts in Pakistan.

    As for the rise of Islam in the West and countermeasures being adopted by opposing forces,rest assured that Islam has its own momentum to win hearts and minds and is inherently capable of overcoming all such challenges quite effectively.


    • @Excalibur: Please see my reponse above on beard. THanks w’salam


      • @ Hell Borne
        Thanks. My humble opinion on the matter is posted above. W salam


  18. @Emperor.Babur

    You are a PERFECT example of a misguided paki living in dream and history.You are claiming to be Babur but you idiot dont even know basics of Babur.

    btw in your post you talk a lot about shit.This shows you have a fetish about shit which is abnormal and weired but so are you pakis.

    Let me ‘educate’ you paki idiot…read this which you will NEVER found in paki sources as it is STRICTLY prohibited for pakis to read.

    90% of the PC’s in this world on a chip invented by an Indian.Indians are the wealthiest group in US even better than the whites.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinod_Dham

    1% of Indian Americans own 50% of all economy lodges and 35% of all hotels in the United States, which have a combined market value of almost $40 billion.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_American

    34% of MICROSOFT employees are Indians

    28% of IBM employees are Indians

    17% of INTEL employees are Indians

    There are 3.22 Million Indians in America

    38% of Doctors in America are Indians.

    12% of Scientists in America are Indians.

    36% of NASA employees are Indians.

    13% of XEROX employees are Indians

    23% of Indian Community in America is having Green Card Some of these facts may be known to you.

    A LOT more of this…..

    This CLEARLY SHOWS how important Indians are for America and the whole world.

    So thats the fear Australians have as they would be outnumbered and outclassed by Indians.

    So guess what … stop using your PC and Softwares as it has hand of an Indian in its development.Using your PC is haram to you but guess what you pakis are haramis by birth.You can just cry about Indians/Americans but shamelessly use their products.

    This success story is not easily digested by jealous pakis like you because your country is a FAILED STATE.The Australian economy get billions from Indian students and they cant afford to go without Indians.

    Go and do what you can do the best… being a POSER, living in wet dreams of conquering India and talking about toilets and shitty stuff.


  19. @Hell Bourne

    WOW such a short reply 🙂

    You are talking of your ‘muslim brothers’ in China????? What a JOKE 🙂 You would create a jihad against China if you knew about the opression of muslims in China.

    Let me show you in which conditions they are:-

    1. The imam’s sermon at Friday Prayer must run no longer than a half-hour. Prayer in public areas outside the mosque is forbidden.

    2. Residents of Khotan are not allowed to worship at mosques outside of town.

    3. Rules displayed on the wall of mosques says that government workers and nonreligious people may not be “forced” to attend services at the mosque – a generous wording of a law that prohibits government workers and Communist Party members from going at all. Why government officials who are Muslims are not allowed to pray? you can go yourself and see the rules in mosque in Khotan. I think the rules have now been put in the internet as well last year.
    The government restrictions are posted inside mosques and elsewhere across Xinjiang.

    4. Imams may not teach the Koran in private, and studying Arabic is allowed only at special government schools.

    5. Two of Islam’s five pillars – the sacred fasting month of Ramadan and the pilgrimage to Mecca called the hajj – are also carefully controlled.Students and government workers are compelled to eat during Ramadan, and the passports of Uighurs have been confiscated across Xinjiang to force them to join government-run hajj tours rather than travel illegally to Mecca on their own.

    6. Any educated man would know that heavy-handed tactics like the restrictions on Islam will only radicalize more Uighurs. why the govt keep saying “three forces” of separatism, terrorism and religious extremism threaten to destabilize the region.Many of the rules have been on the books for years, but some local governments in Xinjiang have publicly highlighted them in the past seven weeks by posting the laws on Web sites or hanging banners in towns.

    7. Han Chinese, the country’s dominant ethnic group, discriminate against Uighurs based on the most obvious differences between the groups: language and religion. This is evident as Uighurs are not prefered for jobs sometimes. Why many Han Chinese see Islam as the root of social problems in Xinjiang, when you speak with them.
    Meanwhile Chinese government, which is officially atheist, recognizes five religions – Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, Taoism and Buddhism. One interview with a Han man who runs construction business in Kashgar, he said: The Uighurs are lazy. It’s because of their religion ” he said. “They spend so much time praying. What are they praying for?”

    8. Signs painted on mud-brick walls in the winding alleyways of old Kashgar warn against making illegal pilgrimages. A red banner hanging on a large mosque in the Uighur area of Urumqi, the regional capital, says, “Implement the policy of organized and planned pilgrimage; individual pilgrimage is forbidden.”

    9. The government gives various reasons for controlling the hajj. Officials say that the Saudi Arabian government is concerned about crowded conditions in Mecca that have led to fatal tramplings, and that Muslims who leave China on their own sometimes spend too much money on the pilgrimage.Critics say the government is trying to restrict the movements of Uighurs and prevent them from coming into contact with other Muslims, fearing that such exchanges could build a pan-Islamic identity in Xinjiang. About two years ago, the government began confiscating the passports of Uighurs across the region, angering many people. Now virtually no Uighurs have passports, though they can apply for them for short trips.The new restriction has made life especially difficult for businessmen who travel to neighbouring countries.To get a passport to go on an official hajj tour or a business trip, applicants must leave a deposit of nearly $6,000

    What on the bloody hell is this ?

    10. One man in Kashgar said the imam at his mosque, who like all official imams is paid by the government, had recently been urging congregants to go to Mecca only with legal tours. That is not easy for many Uighurs. The cost of an official trip is the equivalent of $3,700, and hefty bribes usually raise the price. Once a person files an application, the authorities do a background check into the family. If the applicant has children, the children must be old enough to be financially self-sufficient, and the applicant is required to show that he or she has substantial savings in the bank.Rules posted last year on the Xinjiang government’s Web site say the applicant must be 50 to 70 years old, “love the country and obey the law.” A govt employee might very well lose his pension if he went on the hajj.

    11. The rules on fasting during Ramadan are just as strict. They vary by town and county but include requiring restaurants to stay open during daylight hours and mandating that women not wear veils and men shave their beards. One rule that officials in some towns seem especially intent on enforcing is the ban on students’ fasting. Supporters of this policy say students need to eat to study properly. in Kashgar university locked the gates and put glass shards along the top of a campus wall. tried to force students to eat during the day by prohibiting them from leaving campus in the evening to join their families in breaking the daily fast.

    So go and raise a Jihad against Chinese.Chinese are so cunning they are using you and at the same time slaughtering your ‘muslim brothers’.

    Why dont pakis raise even a single voice against Chinese? GO and raise a voice if you REALLY care for your so called 60-70 muslim brothers living under REAL opression for decades.

    The fact is that you cant raise a voice
    against Chinese.Also the jihad you are doing in Kashmir for so called ‘muslim brotherhood’ is FALSE as it is not for muslims but just to get the land.


    • Lolz… are you jobless or what?

      One thing you totally failed to see that this website is solely related to Pakistan, Afghanistan and India (see ABOUT PAGE) (or in short, South Asia) – I don’t remember reading anything here on Palestine or Bosnia Herzegovinnia but you came crying that this site is not including anything about recent riots in China.

      If whatever you are writing is true then it is indeed worrying – but in general, the whole world is caught in propaganda against Islam and Muslims.

      Anyway, if you read http://www.ahmedquraishi.com – there he wrote an article which should cool down your thurst on the topic that it is quite a possibility that CIA agents were involved in staging these riots to dampen status of Muslims in China.


      • BTW, if you see my reponse to excalibur, I sadi I will try to keep it to the point but there were too many points on the issues so had to address them all. How come a brainaic like you fail to understand this?


  20. 60-70 Million Muslims in China ***



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