
AfPak: Where Empires Go to Die
May 18, 2009
Wilmer Leon
President Obama is also ratcheting up the rhetoric and activity in Pakistan. There’s a significant increase in ground forces, Predator drones and air attacks. In his announcement on March 27th, President Obama referred to the border region of Afghanistan/Pakistan as, “the most dangerous place in the world….This is not simply an American problem – far from it. It is, instead, an international security challenge of the highest order. Terrorist attacks in London and Bali were tied to al-Qaida and its allies in Pakistan, as were attacks in North Africa and the Middle East, in Islamabad and Kabul. If there is a major attack on an Asian, European, or African city, it, too, is likely to have ties to al-Qaida’s leadership in Pakistan. The safety of people around the world is at stake.
President Obama and his advisors should learn from history, some ancient some modern, and not repeat it. This is a region of the world that has never been defeated militarily. It is where empires go to die. The Greeks, Indians, Persians, Mongolians, British, and Russians have tried to hold Afghanistan but never succeeded.
Under the pretext of responding to the September 11, 2001 attacks in America, the United and States and Great Britain invaded Afghanistan on October 7, 2001. They dubbed this invasion Operation Enduring Freedom. President Bush 41’ told the American people that the US strikes were,
“…designed to disrupt the use of Afghanistan as a terrorist base of operations, and to attack the military capability of the Taliban regime…we will make it more difficult for the terror network to train new recruits and coordinate their evil plans. Initially, the terrorists may burrow deeper into caves and other entrenched hiding places…At the same time, the oppressed people of Afghanistan will know the generosity of America and our allies. As we strike military targets, we will also drop food, medicine and supplies to the starving and suffering men and women and children of Afghanistan… ”
During the 2008 presidential campaign, candidate Obama promised to immediately withdraw troops from Iraq in order to bolster the forces in Afghanistan in order to defeat the Taliban and Al Qaeda. “It’s time to refocus our attention on the war we have to win in Afghanistan.” I believe that this tactic was taken by the Obama team in order to placate the anti-Iraq contingent in the American electorate while not leaving himself vulnerable to the “soft on defense” hawkish critics on the other side. As a campaign tactic this approach proved to be successful. In reality, this may prove to be one of the greatest miscalculations President Obama could make.
After the historic election of President Obama, many historians and others placed this event in the context of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s “Dream”. Some mistakenly saw this election as the fulfillment of that Dream”; others mistakenly compared candidate Obama’s “race neutral” approach with Dr. King’s vision. Some even likened Obama’s oratory skills with that of Dr. King’s.
Today critics are asking the question “is the Obama administration’s approach to the problems in Afghanistan/Pakistan going to be their Vietnam?” As America faces its most difficult economic challenges in recent history, compare President Obama’s Afghanistan/Pakistan with President Johnson’s Vietnam. Is the Obama administration making the same mistakes based on arrogance, hubris, and a misplaced sense of empire that led us into Vietnam? Here’s what the Rev. Dr. King had to say about US involvement in Vietnam in his speech Beyond Vietnam: A Time to Break Silence,
“There is at the outset a very obvious and almost facile connection between the war in Vietnam and the struggle I, and others, have been waging in America. A few years ago there was a shining moment in that struggle. It seemed as if there was a real promise of hope for the poor — both black and white — through the poverty program. There were experiments, hopes, new beginnings. Then came the buildup in Vietnam and I watched the program broken and eviscerated as if it were some idle political plaything of a society gone mad on war, and I knew that America would never invest the necessary funds or energies in rehabilitation of its poor so long as adventures like Vietnam continued to draw men and skills and money like some demonic destructive suction tube. So I was increasingly compelled to see the war as an enemy of the poor and to attack it as such.”
Today, President Obama is planning to send an additional 4,000 troops and other support personnel into Afghanistan. Like his predecessor, President Obama says, “If the Afghanistan government falls to the Taliban or allows al-Qaida to go unchallenged, that country will again be a base for terrorists.” The additional 4,000 troops will bring the total US force up to 30,000 by the end of 2009.
President Obama is also ratcheting up the rhetoric and activity in Pakistan. There’s a significant increase in ground forces, Predator drones and air attacks. In his announcement on March 27th, President Obama referred to the border region of Afghanistan/Pakistan as,
“the most dangerous place in the world….This is not simply an American problem – far from it. It is, instead, an international security challenge of the highest order. Terrorist attacks in London and Bali were tied to al-Qaida and its allies in Pakistan, as were attacks in North Africa and the Middle East, in Islamabad and Kabul. If there is a major attack on an Asian, European, or African city, it, too, is likely to have ties to al-Qaida’s leadership in Pakistan. The safety of people around the world is at stake.”
President Obama and his advisors should learn from history, some ancient some modern, and not repeat it. This is a region of the world that has never been defeated militarily. It is where empires go to die. The Greeks, Indians, Persians, Mongolians, British, and Russians have tried to hold Afghanistan but never succeeded.
According to historians, Alexander the Great in 330 B.C. lost more men and more animals crossing the Hindu Kush than all his subsequent campaigns in central Asia. In 1839 the British invaded Afghanistan; in 1841 after an Afghan revolt, 4,500 British troops withdrew. According to a description published in the North American Review in 1842,
On the 6th of January, 1842, the Caboul forces commenced their retreat through the dismal pass, destined to be their grave. On the third day they were attacked by the mountaineers from all points, and a fearful slaughter ensued…
In most recent history, the Russians invaded Afghanistan. The initial deployment of the Soviet 40th Army began in Afghanistan on August 7, 1978. After nine years of fighting a US, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistani backed mujahideen resistance, the Soviet troop withdrawal began on May 15, 1988 and ended on February 15, 1989.
Since 2001, in spite of President Bush and now President Obama’s noble speeches and military tactics, the US and its allies have not “disrupt(ed) the use of Afghanistan as a terrorist base of operations”. The US has not been able to successfully “attack the military capability of the Taliban regime”.
What the US has done is lose 1147 coalition forces; US Air Force data shows that Munitions dropped in Afghanistan have risen 1,100 percent, from 2004 to 2007, tonnage figures jumped from 163 tons to 1,956 tons. According to the United Nations, bombs have killed over 2000 Afghan civilians in 2008, up 40% from 2007. The Associated Press reports the direct correlation between the rise in Afghan civilian deaths and anti-American sentiment.
In terms of dollars, according to recently released pentagon reports, the price tag for running the war in Afghanistan/Pakistan will outstrip the cost of the conflict in Iraq next year. America can not afford this folly. As the Rev. Dr. King would say; then came the buildup in Afghanistan/Pakistan and I watched the program broken and eviscerated as if it were some idle political plaything of a society gone mad on war…
The US and its allies could “disrupt the use of Afghanistan as a terrorist base of operations, and attack the military capability of the Taliban regime…” if more of this effort and money were spent on winning the hearts and minds of the Afghan and Pakistani people through real humanitarian assistance such as water, food, medicine, blankets, and building supplies.
The problem with this solution is that those who fuel and promote the military industrial complex in America do not profit from the sale of humanitarian assistance. They profit from war. This is why, if America is not smart, Afghanistan/Pakistan will once again be where empires go to die.






















































if the things u guys say is true, then tell me, what does US gain from destroying afghan and pak?
What are you referring to?
nikhil doesn’t have a clue
nikhil why don’t you get a life
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i dunno what Nikhil is talking about, if it was so easy US must hav already done it, but they have faced a defeat and now they are asking Help of Pakistan , forget about destroying Pakistan….
according to the pakis US wants to destroy pakistan.
maybe by giving billions in aid? i dont know. they are all parroting zaid
Guys
History has witnessed that whenever these zionst propogate aginsts muslims they beg for help from thier allies.
Starting from battle of Badar. Mushrakeen tried to gather forces against muslims from jews clans and thier so called allies, crusades were launched against muslims and all these zionsts , freemasons got together agaianst one power Muslims, Now this so called super power American cant even dare to drop his feet on Pak land without his allies in the region and they know if they do they will be sctatterd that is why they dont even send thier jets, all they send is plane without worthless American in shape of drones, what a coward nation.
History will repeat and will prove that the final victory will be ours no matter if Mushrikeens plot against us, or zionst finance against us or feemason launch war against us the final battle is to be wong by true Muslims not the fake TTP funded by zionsts.
i am suprised u have enough brains to write this comment
Guys ever noticed what Nikhil is doing on this forum ?? Just go through all his comments…
Yes, we can all see what Nikhil is doing. He is supremely pissed at Zaid Hamid and is trying his best to discredit him. Also, he is just trying to create distraction on these forums, so that the real issues are not discussed, and the commentators stay entangled in exchanging pointless rhetoric. It’s not really working Nikhil. Seriously.
Ok folks, here’s a question… With the Pakistani army gradually regaining control of Swat valley, what do you think will happen next? Do you think there will be a move now to regain full control of NWFP next?
From what one sees on media, Karzai and Zardari seem to be trying their best to curry favors with the Western powers, most probably to line their own pockets… However, they can claim to be democratically elected representatives of their countries and hence, no one can possibly question them…
With the LTTE problem more or less solved for the time being, the Maoist rebels gaining legitimacy in Nepal and the new Cong government in India, it looks like we may have a peaceful time for the next few years at least…
@ PeaceLover
I rarely post but I’ve been reading your comments and well done for the continued patience in face of obvious hostility. As someone else on here said, its the foreign policies we’re against, not the people.
Once Malakand is cleared and Fazlullah eliminated, we should be moving into Waziristan and clearing that up too. I’ve always said we MUST eliminate Baitullah Mehsud as a matter of priority.
Zardari was never elected. He has hijacked the party and bribed/intimidated his way to the top. And its not his fault or that of his party, its the corrupt system which only allows the worst among us to come on top. No genuine, honest and hardworking people ever make through thanks to this corrupt system. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. Thats how its always been.
We need to get rid of this system and hopefully have honest patriotic individuals installed into key positions who can clear up the mess. There’s work being done on that and InshaAllah we will see it soon. But first it will get much much darker before the sun starts shining through.
Peace.
We’ll be doing a programme on that very soon in which we will discuss the pros and cons of a proposed new system which will most likely be implemented with the backing of the military.
Meanwhile, I’m borrowing the below text from AQ to give you an idea:
The Pakistani state needs to be transformed from an amalgamation of ethnicities to an amalgamation of administrative units where Pakistani identity reins supreme and ethno-religious loopholes firmly sealed.
To strengthen democracy, the political monopoly of feudal politicians will have to give way to a more representative system. Ethnocentric politics will have to be curbed; parties will have to become democratic. Reform will mean a strong federal government with streamlined bureaucracy, and powers transferred to a series of administrative provinces with local parliaments and directly elected governors. In short, the state will have to help Pakistanis gradually de-politicize and refocus energy toward building better living standards and lifestyles.
These ambitious reforms can only come through a joint intervention by Pakistani civilians and military and might require a temporary period of controlled government. The current political class does not have the will or incentive to bring change.
Thanks a lot Dan, I wish all the very best to all my Pakistani brothers and sisters… Nation building is not an easy task, as even India is realizing… Despite claims by many patriotic Indians, it is still a third-world country with rampant poverty, illiteracy and lack of proper sanitation, healthcare, you name it… In fact, all the separatist movements that you hear about, are essentially based on economic disparity among various regions…
Therefore, I do hope all our governments start focussing on these real issues facing millions of our countrymen rather than divert our attention to unproductive jingoism, which benefits no one in the end…
By the way, I come to this blog to learn something new everyday and try to make a positive contribution… I hope in the process, I have introduced all of you to a different perspective about Indians from the one you are used to…
Thanks a lot Dan, I wish all the very best to all my Pakistani brothers and sisters… Nation building is not an easy task, as even India is realizing… Despite claims by many patriotic Indians, it is still a third-world country with rampant poverty, illiteracy and lack of proper sanitation, healthcare, you name it… In fact, all the separatist movements that you hear about, are essentially based on economic disparity among various regions…
Therefore, I do hope all our governments start focussing on these real issues facing millions of our countrymen rather than divert our attention to unproductive jingoism, which benefits no one in the end… I personally think it doesn’t matter if you have democracy or dictatorship… As long as common people feel safe and there is respect for basic human rights, what else do you need?
By the way, I come to this blog to learn something new everyday and try to make a positive contribution… I hope in the process, I have introduced all of you to a different perspective about Indians from the one you are used to…
I couldn’t agree with you more. Our problems are very similar. We need a better system than what ‘democracy’ has to offer, as it has failed us time and time again. Pakistan produces and can produce enough energy, fuel, and food to not only feed itself for years to come but export and generate revenue and yet we have these so called ‘elected’ leaders going around begging only to line up their own pockets. Zardari, a cinema owner before he married Benazir, is today Pakistan’s richest man. That is OUR money he’s lined up his pockets with and every single politician who’s part of this system is corrupt as f***.
Is it so hard to find hardworking, honest individuals who can actually serve our nations? No. There are many who are sincere but this system doesn’t let them come forward. Those that do manage to come up, end up turning corrupt themselves.
We draw our inspiration from Islamic history where an old lady once asked the Khalifa of the time, howcome he had two pieces of cloth when everyone else got just one!? There’s the more recent example of Jinnah, who once ordered some furniture for the Governor-General’s House (his office) and marked off an extra chair which his sister Fatima had added to the list. He had Fatima pay for that extra chair.
Once someone got him a pair of warm socks when he was really ill, and he declined to wear saying that they were ‘too expensive for a leader of a poor nation’ – at Rs. 2 for the pair.
We need crazy honest people like that, and believe me we have them in our countries. The problem is though, the world powers who are busy exploiting our lands, have a massive problem with those honest people coming up, for obvious reasons. Hence they implant this ‘western democratic system’ within us, by force when necessary.
And by the way, we wish you all the best too. There’s enough suffering on both sides and our heart goes out to those who have suffered under unjust rulers, have been the victims of unjust systems whether its the decades our courts take to settle simple disputes or the authorities that favour the rich and powerful. We feel for those who have been kept oppressed while a certain section of society keeps getting richer in the process.
Some more to add to the corrupt leadership part: remember, various hadith have predicted centuries ago that there will be times in future when people will be elected leaders who are most unfit for it (Bush and Zardari are some classical, undeniable examples of that rock solid reality). Second, Zardari is not the richest but the second richest man in Pakistan (if I remember correctly, his wealth tops 900 million UK pounds in stolen money). Guess who else is in that same top 5? IMF eat your heart out, those billions that Pakistan needed to avoid default were right here!!!
@ Nikhil: I don’t think we should be discussing general observations like ‘Pakistanis tend to think the US wants to destroy Pak.’ Let’s discuss something more concrete, such statements only invite annoyance.
“Ok folks, here’s a question… With the Pakistani army gradually regaining control of Swat valley, what do you think will happen next? Do you think there will be a move now to regain full control of NWFP next?”
It remains very much to be seen, this isn’t open to discussion just yet as it’s subject mainly to strategic military planning. Forget about what our good for nothing president said Waziristan, it won’t be the first time he made stupid remarks on military matters.
Waziristan, among other areas, in my opinion not necessarily a logical continuation of the current offensive. Remember, to achieve military successes in Pakistan, history has shown that you will need at least public support. If you don’t have that, prepare to be designated an ‘American stooge’ and ‘Israeli agent,’ regardless of how successful any operation has been. Now, in Swat and Buner, the military enjoys a good amount of public backing by the very folks who had to put up with the TTP for the past many months. In Waziristan, i’m not sure about that. It’s one thing to say that advancing to any new district requires rigorous planning. As far as the border areas are concerned, you might be looking at employing an entirely new strategy. Zardari does not exactly have the biggest say on that (alhamdulillah). Having said that, we should definitely advance toward Baitullah and co in due time and arrange for them to meet their fate. The plan however should be deliberately evaluated and based entirely on our national interests.
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